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– All right, hey everybody,
I'm super excited.
This is going to be such a great show.
I am joined with Dr. Jason Piken,
and we are gonna talk about acid reflux.
But we're not gonna talk
about bad acid reflux,
we're gonna talk about what
might, actually, be causing it,
so you can, actually get rid of it
'cause this might shock you
that it might not be the
reason you think it is,
so stay tuned and listen.
So acid reflux, could the cause really
be the tension in your jaw?
So let me tell you a little
bit about Dr. Jason Piken.
He is a chiropractor,
certified nutrition specialist,
and health coach who
offers a unique holistic
and whole body approach
to nutrition and wellness.
Love that.
Growing up in Queens New
York all of his life,
Jason knew that the best
of everything was found
in New York City, isn't that true?
And that's why he chose
to start his practice
in the heart of New York
City just below Central Park.
Since starting his practice in 1996,
he has taught people how to
heal from various problems
ranging from chronic pain
to digestive disorders.
With a focus on nutrition
based total body approach
to health, Jason helps
his patients tackle issues
using the health
relationship between the gut
and the brain known as the brain-gut axis.
He also uses a combination
of functional lab testing
and applied kinesiology
in order to address
the three basic causes
of all health problems.
In balances in chemical, emotional,
and physical systems in the body.
You can learn more about Jason's approach
to health and wellness in his book
Better! 11 Simple Habits
to Improve Your Life.
Welcome Jason.
– Thanks for having me Trina.
That was such a great intro. (laughs)
– Great, I've been practicing all day.
I thought I was gonna get
stuck on the word kinesiology,
but I practiced.
– You didn't.
Everything was smooth.
– But that's because when I wrote it out,
I gotta show everybody, I wrote it out,
like so how you pronounce it. (laughs)
– Phonetically, okay, good.
– (laughs) All right,
so let's get started.
I really want to know, like, talk to me
about the connections
between acid reflux and TMJ
because I've never heard
this connection before.
– Okay well, here's the story.
First, how I came up with it was really,
it's because I had acid reflux
in my first year in practice.
I was, you know, a
practicing chiropractor,
thought I was the epitome of health,
and I'd come home at the
end of the day, like,
gripping my chest, and,
like, burping inappropriately
at the end of the day with patients,
and I just needed to delve into
why I was having the
problem in the first place,
and there really wasn't any good answers.
And over many years of learning
so many different things,
I pieced together all
three parts of acid reflux,
and the most fascinating one was the jaw.
And this was taught by,
actually, Dr. George Goodheart.
He is the founder of applied
kinesiology, passed away,
brilliant guy that towards the end nobody
was listening to because he was too old,
but luckily, I'll be his voice.
What he said was is that
we're stressed, of course,
as individuals especially
more in modern life,
and what most people tend to
do in compensation for stress
is just grit their teeth, clench.
Some of us don't do it during the day,
we only do it when
we're sleeping at night,
but so many people do
it, and if we don't have
the most perfect symmetrical jaw and bite,
which very few people do,
that small amount of tension,
or large amount of tension,
if you're a real grinder,
over time, creates problems in your jaw.
Now, in order for you to survive,
you need a really well functioning jaw
'cause if your jaw doesn't
work, you don't eat, you die.
– Right, it's as simple as that.
– Simple, so the body is so smart
that it doesn't let you
know about your jaw problem.
It'll tweak the muscles
around the neck area
to try to keep the jaw in line,
so you keep eating, and
talking, and living life,
and you'll wind up with
tension in your neck.
Usually the jaw compensates by causing
a problem in the middle of your neck,
C3, 4, and 5, the middle three bones,
and those nerves that come out
of those bones innervate your diaphragm.
– (gasps) That's the connection.
– That's it, and that is what causes
disturbances in the stomach,
it can cause breathing issues,
but let's just talk about
the, you know, hiatal hernia,
or stomach issues, that's the connection.
– So leave it to a chiropractor
to solve your gut issues, right?
But it's so true, like,
I go to my chiropractor,
and they're always talking about that
nerve innervation for
the different organs,
and we as a people forget that,
and that's a huge connection.
So, 'cause you don't look like
you would suffer from gastric reflux.
So what is the next step, and so
what causes tension in the
jaw in the first place?
– So, that's the emotional part of stress,
and so what you do about
that is there's tons
of stress relieving techniques.
I mean, in my book, I discuss it.
I do a program called,
set the tone for the day.
My whole morning routine is set up
to erase the first, probably, 25 years
of back programing that I had in my head
that told me all the
wrong things about life,
that got my negative
thoughts rolling around.
And if I do this program
of whether it's prayer,
or gratefulness, journaling, meditation,
listening to positive
things, like, your podcast,
anything to get my brain in a good space,
well then I start to feel better,
and there's less tension in the jaw.
That's the emotional aspect.
And then, you can do physical things
and chemistry things for reflux too.
I don't know how much you
want to get into that,
or you want to stick with all this?
– Well, I'm fascinated with the jaw,
like, I'm fascinated with this because
with my background,
I'm a nurse in ostitis,
so with my background in nursing,
we've always just discussed how
to fix it from down here, you know?
Foods or just, obviously, you know,
they're always prescribing
medications to prevent the acid,
but really that's the
symptom of the problem,
and if you never fix the problem,
it's never gonna go away.
So I'm fascinated with
what you want to talk about
with C2, was it 2, 3, and 4?
– 3, 4, 5.
– 3, 4, 5.
C3, 4, 5, so let's talk
a little bit about that,
and what you can do, you know,
how that relates to your gut,
and why it's causing those problems.
– Okay, so besides going to a chiropractor
that's familiar with it,
that knows how to adjust
the neck to free up the subluxations,
those are misalignment
irritating the nervous system
in C3, 4, 5, there are a lot
of things that you can do on your own.
Of course, it's best to go to an expert.
I'm gonna tell people to come to me,
or go to a local chiropractor,
but if you want to start
working on yourself,
you just have to look
for the physical tension
to see if you can get some relief,
and there are three main areas.
One, let's just talk about the jaw
and how to release tension there.
Most people that even know they grind,
and feel tension in their jaw,
don't bother to work on it.
I mean, all you have to do is rub it.
I can show you where.
– Yeah, show us, yeah show us.
– Yeah, you drop down from
your eyeball, and you have your
check bone, and it feels,
kind of, hard, okay?
And you drop down from that hard bone,
and there's, like, a little
softness that happens.
That's the beginning of your masseter
muscle, your clenching muscle.
And if you can just feel
underneath that ridge,
there's, usually, one or two, you know,
if you're going back
and forth, tight points.
If you don't find those tight points,
which you can rub if you
feel that they're tight,
well then drop down to
the bottom of your jaw
with a few fingers or one finger,
or what I like to do because my
fingers get sore is a knuckle.
– Oh yeah, yeah.
– Yeah, and I just get
in there with a knuckle,
and I just rub in there.
There's internal stuff too.
So you gotta make sure you have
clean fingers, and, literally,
you just–
– Oh, go in, yeah.
– Yeah, you just go in there.
And what most people don't do is,
I just taught you about the
masseter, the muscle over here,
there's just outside the
back molars of your teeth,
way back, you can, actually, feel
tension in the jaw joint right there.
And you wanna, you don't
want to kill yourself,
you don't want to cause torture
'cause it's usually sore on most people,
but if there is a especially a
difference from side to side,
one is a lot more sore than the other,
try just putting a little pressure
right inside your mouth up there,
and see if it feels good,
like that good pain,
you know, that massage good pain.
If you have that, well then,
stick it up there for 20 seconds, okay?
– I've, actually, had a massage
therapist that would do that.
They would put their
finger in my mouth and,
actually, do that pressure
point right there.
– I do that all day long
with people, we work on that.
I use a vibration tool, it's
called a percussive massager,
on my hand, so my finger vibrates
into their jaw, and we work on there,
and then we use a cold laser,
which is a fantastic tool
to break up scar tissue
and fashion trigger points.
– Fascinating, that's interesting, yeah.
So, when you're treating,
'cause a lot of people
are like, well, you know,
what I take, you know,
proton-pump inhibitors,
Prilosec, Nexium, so why,
tell people why they
would want to do this.
You know, don't stop taking those,
obviously, unless your symptoms go away,
but let's talk a little bit
about this versus medication.
– Okay, first, the why.
The medication, the vast
majority of the time,
does not address the why,
especially in this situation.
I'd say at least 80% of the
time, maybe 90% of the time,
the cause of why they're
having acid reflux
is a lack of acid in their stomach.
So that is Counterintuitive
to most people,
why would I have a lack
of acid in my stomach?
If people have done a lot
of searching about it,
they've probably heard that before.
But the basic premise is we
need acid in our stomach.
Our stomach is the most acidic
portion of our entire body,
and it's protected, the acid
is supposed to be there.
As long as that acid
doesn't escape, we're okay.
So if we take a proton-pump inhibitor,
what we're doing is we're preventing
that acid from forming,
and we decrease our ability
to digest proteins, and certain minerals.
One of those minerals zinc, actually,
helps us to produce more acid.
So we're basically having
a self perpetuating problem
we can't ever fix
because we're not allowed
to absorb the nutrients that heal our gut,
and we're taking something
that disturbs our digestion.
– Right.
– You feel better
sometimes, at least, like,
60 to 70% at a time, I think, is the stat
that people feel better from
these proton-pump inhibitors,
but if you don't, it's
either because you have
nonacid reflux, a mechanical problem,
or you just haven't gotten to your why,
and the body is just saying no,
I'm gonna keep giving you
the symptom until you fix me.
– Right.
– [Jason] Yeah.
– And yeah, I'm all, and
I know you're all about
getting to the actual
source of the problem.
And what I bet most people don't realize
'cause I had never heard that before is
that the cause could,
actually, have nothing to do,
or little to do with your gut, it could,
actually, start from
the back of your neck.
– Yes.
– And your nerves.
So talk for a second about
what that connection is.
I know you said that the
nerves that innervate come out,
but exactly how does that work?
And in what you do, or what,
what's the next step
for everybody listening
'cause if they're out
there going that's me,
that's me, I have neck
issues, I have this,
do people typically have
neck pain, neck symptoms
that might be something
that they can look into,
you know, causing their acid reflux?
Do you know what I'm saying?
Or does sometimes the neck never hurt,
but it could still be the problem?
– Okay, premise to answering that,
only 9% of the nervous system can feel.
Well let's put it, that only 9%
of the nervous system is
set out for sensing pain.
Because if you knew everything
that was wrong with you
this second, you'd just,
yeah, you'd explode.
Okay, we wouldn't be able to survive.
So, we sometimes don't feel the problems.
Sometimes our problems come out
in one way and not in another.
And this is what I try
to make a point with
whenever I'm dealing with people
is even though most people are coming in
for one single thing,
that's their driving force
of why they made an appointment to see me,
I have to uncover all
the other little things
that are probably contributing to it.
And again, with physical,
to go over this again is,
let's say you still have
that tension in your jaw
and your neck is compensating
to try to realign your jaw,
besides the subluxation,
besides the misalignment
that needs to be adjusted,
you can also work on
the tension in your jaw.
Most people, if they do
feel pain in their neck
as a result of this pattern,
they'll feel it in the back of their neck,
but that's, actually, not
where they need to rub.
The most important place
that they can work on
is the front of their neck.
– Ahhhhh.
– Yeah.
– Like the sternocleidomastoid,
is that what you're talking about, or?
– SCM's, scalene's,
there's a ton of little
muscles that attach from your tongue
to your neck, you're tongue to your jaw,
and all these little muscles
can be worked around.
And so, what I do is just,
kind of, use a pincher grip,
and just get in here and work it.
And, again, if you feel spot that's tight,
rub it, not so you get injured,
but that you feel that
good pain, and rub it out.
And you can go that muscle in your neck
goes all along your collar bone
all the way up to your mastoid
right here behind your ear,
and you can feel for trigger points there.
And most often, if somebody
releases tension here,
the tension in back of
their neck goes away.
– [Trina] Goes away.
– And if you have the whole pattern
where it's jaw and the neck,
when I told you how to work on your neck,
you'll also start to get tension
in your diaphragm, which is down here.
These are the other little places to work.
Again, crooked fingers like this,
just get in there and
feel for what's tight.
You can't believe how many people
tell me they feel so much better
after I rub one little tender point
in their diaphragm for 30 seconds.
And they can do this on
their own, I teach them to.
– Yeah, I've done that before.
I've gotten my finger up under my rib cage
and poked around up there,
and it can get pretty tight.
It's pretty crazy, the body is amazing.
And like you said, the body's
always gonna compensate
to go back to normal, like
your neck is always trying
to find that normal position,
so it's gonna do whatever it has to,
and if you're jaw is not in
alignment, or it's tense,
or whatever, your neck
is always going to try
to maintain that normal
position, so that's the problem.
What about people at nighttime
that clench their jaws?
– It's really difficult, it's
a challenging thing to fix.
The best thing is, again,
when you take away some
of that physical tension, it helps.
Some other things like
meditation and journaling
to get the thoughts out of your head
and be in a calm place mentally,
and herbs that help to get rid
of the racing from your head
that stimulate GABA are
also really important.
Herbs like lavender, chamomile,
lemon bomb, magnesium,
but not an herb but a mineral,
helps to relax muscles,
and these are also
little tricks that I use
depending on the person
because more magnesium
means more relaxation of
muscles, less jaw clenching.
Some people have been doing it for so long
that it's a hard habit to break
especially 'cause it's unconscious.
– Yeah.
– But I find over time, if
we keep working with it,
them doing their homework that I give them
to work on themselves and
us working on relieving some
of that deep down
pressure, then it can stop.
– So what about my listeners
that aren't in New York
that can't come and visit you?
Do you have a program or
something that they can go to
to find you to be able to get
more information about this?
– Yes, I was asked about
this for many years
because everybody said, I have
a cousin, I have a friend,
they can't get to you, what do we do?
And I created a set of
videos, a set of videos,
an E-book, just like
everything I could think of
that has to do with acid reflux
and understanding the why and
learning how to fix yourself,
and it's really the acid reflux solution.
There's links to it on my site.
I'm gonna give you a link to it.
And I'd love for people to take advantage,
and learn how to treat
themselves because they can.
– Absolutely, yeah, so we'll
post the link to his site,
so anybody that's listening or
watching can go check it out,
and especially if you
suffer from gastric reflux,
or know someone that does 'cause I think
almost everybody knows at least one person
that has problems with gastric reflux.
It's a huge problem, and it can cause
bigger problems down the road,
and really medication isn't the solution,
if the problem isn't being fixed.
The medication just is a bandaid
that, actually, could
cause more problems right?
– Yeah, could we mention some of that?
– Oh sure, I'm open.
– The biggest, I mean,
I take care of people,
again, they're usually
coming in for neck pain,
shoulder pain, knee pain, and then getting
to the fact that they have reflux,
and they were never even
thinking of treating it.
– Well, that's what I mean.
– They don't think much of it.
– That's why I love talking to you
because people don't think
about gastric reflux as a real,
I mean, it's a problem, and
it inhibits your daily life,
but when you go to the doctor that's not
really the first things you think of
unless you're going in for that reason.
– Right, and people need to
pay more attention to it.
If they're already on the
medications, they have
to understand that those
medications, as a side effect,
are gonna be causing nutrient
deficiencies over a long-term,
inability, we mentioned,
to break down minerals
and proteins, but what they also lead to
is a lot of other GI symptoms.
Because when you take away
that acid from your stomach,
you're actually more prone to infections.
One of the number one ways we get
gastral intestinal infections,
why bugs get into our body and infect us,
is we're protected by this acid
'cause we eat these bugs on our foods,
somebody didn't wash their hands,
and, you know, we get it into our bodies,
and if we have a lot
of acid in our stomach,
it can kill those bugs,
so we don't get infected.
If we're taking those
medications, we reduce our ability
to have a properly
functioning immune system,
and that can lead to other problems.
Again, GI issues, SIBO, which is something
I take care of a lot,
bacteria overgrowth in
the small intestine, tons of other issues.
And, if let's say you ignore it
and don't take the medications,
acid reflux left untreated, I mean,
the worst case scenario, esophagal cancer,
stomach cancer, I mean
these are horrific cancers,
and I'm not saying that's
a high percentage of people
that are gonna develop it,
but it's a lot more likely
if you let this go untreated.
– Yeah, and if the solution
is simply jaw tension,
I don't want to say simply,
but really it's simple.
If you can–
– Sometimes it is.
– Yeah, I mean, sometimes
you just have to dumb it down
to what it is, and if
that's really the cause
because it's causing the nerves
that are coming out of your
spinal cord to be pinched or, you know,
the innervation can't get to your gut,
and that's the reason
you're having symptoms,
it could be a simple,
like, you could never need
to take medication again if
you get the problem fixed.
– Yes, I've gotten people
off of their medications.
They've been on 'em for 20 years,
and they can release it,
they don't need it anymore.
They don't even need the
supplements I give them
that they needed first, but eventually
they're, actually, fixed,
and that's really the goal is
to not be dependent on
anybody else or anything else,
except your own innate ability to heal.
– Awesome, I appreciate
everything you are doing because,
like I said, most people
probably have never, ever, ever
thought about this causing
their gastric reflux,
and people walk around with
gastric reflux all the time,
so I really appreciate that you, you know,
this is one way to treat yourself.
You know, if it doesn't work,
what did you lose, you know?
But if it gets you off your medication,
you don't suffer from gastric reflux,
think about how that can change your life.
– Right.
– So,
– Yeah.
– thanks Jason, I totally appreciate it.
We're gonna post the links
so that people can go check
that out, and self treat through you,
and hopefully get people better
without having to take medication.
And you guys check out his book
Better! 11 Simple Habits
to Improve Your Life
because if it only takes 11,
and you can improve one
aspect of your life,
I'm all in. (laughs)
So thanks Jason, anything
else that you want to say?
– No, you've covered a lot.
There's a tons of info around it,
but you can get into nitty
gritty, we can talk for hours.
– Hours.
– This is the most important part
that I want people to understand.
– Awesome, I appreciate
that, thanks Jason.
– Okay, thanks Trina.
– You're welcome, all right bye guys.
We'll catch you next
time on The Healthy Me.
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