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a day
the the massage staff is the
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and take advantage of all of
these things know that
you can cross a small bridge at
the other side of the garden and
there's a whole other
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very beautiful and nicely
landscaped and that's the way to
get down to the Sea in front of
that building which is obviously
and is called the big house
there's a system of
stairways which take you down to
the beach so that's highly
recommended okay I think that's
the basic thing
there's so always toast and jam
and usually coffee and stuff
like that
that and in in the dining room
whenever it's open so if you
miss a meal or if you get the
munchies that's available
oh this one I'm pretty much I
actually I'm up to speed
on this one this is Kathleen's
helping me out because usually I
don't know what I'm teaching and
if there's no catalog in the
room then we're sort of hung out
to dry but this one I'm
highly motivated motivated so
I've been looking forward to it
briefing for a descent into
novelty well because they're the
plunge there's a plunge into
novelty happening so the
ID or or I'm claiming there is
so then we actually have
something to look
at and measure all this baffle
Garb against rather than the
usual vapor you know this is
part of my
life that I enjoy oi and it's
hard to carry the public into it
because it's so Arcane but this
is really where the Thrills lie
for me
which I guess leads me into its
some of what I want to say this
let me lay out for you how I see
this briefing for a descent into
novelty and what that really
means because it's deliberately
ambiguous because it refers to
several things simultaneously
any encounter with me that
involves a discussion of
psychedelics is in and of itself
a briefing for a descent into
novelty that's what psychedelics
are the ordinary structures and
momentum and logic of the world
is replaced by a
very novel redaction of those
things so that's one level of
the meaning of the briefing for
descent into novelty another
level of meaning
is we are plunging without the
aid of my theory
toward the end of the millennium
and this will be used
as a benchmark and an enormous
kind of go who'd
to certain agendas to complete
themselves or
launch themselves and I'm sure
as we approach the Millennium
you can feel the
built-in the lipstick
expectations of judeo Christian
just swelling to burst at the
seams well
I think anybody who didn't have
some kind of Fairly strong model
of what is going on would be
scared to death I mean there is
a sense of
everything simply flying apart
and we don't know what it will
World economic crash Ebola
outbreak asteroid strike
strike climate change change but
it just begins to multiply to
point where you get the feeling
we may not know what's coming
but God something
must be coming so a Thousand
Years is reaching its
culmination and inevitably the
civilization will be
divided at this Millennium that
will be the first millennium
of industrial post-medieval so
forth and so on and and thus and
whatever comes after and then a
third sense in which this is a
briefing for a descent into
novelty and this
requires a little background and
for those of you who aren't
familiar with the time wave
theory which is now been
referred to repeatedly this is
an idea a mathematical formalism
which I generated with the help
of the logos
that addresses the concept that
of the Dow
a mysterious Force which Ebbs
and flows through all things
building structure up and
tearing it down according to
mysterious laws of its own takes
that notion of Dow and
attempts to demystify it in the
sense of if
tau is a force which tears
things down and builds things up
Up and Down can be directions on
a Cartesian axis axis so
not portray the Dow as the ebb
and flow
of a quality a numerically
quantifiable quality well to cut
to the chase
I've done this and it replaces
the Newtonian assumption that
time is a perfectly smooth
Aristotelian surface
with a much more complicated
version of what time is time is
a kind of landscape or a kind of
manifold or Surface over which
events flow but subject to the
Contours of that surface so that
in the same way way river
a river running through Rocky
gorges attains great speed and
but when it flows out onto the
flat lands it loses that
it spreads out it meanders time
is a similar kind of
phenomenon there are periods of
great placa
tude and and
stability and continuity most of
time has been that change in
most of time is something that
stretches out over millions
and millions of years I'm
speaking now first of all of
changes Planet a logical
evolution even biological
evolution which is orders of
more rapid than than geology is
nevertheless something
which moves you know very
stately fashion major mutations
require hundreds of thousands
millions of years in some cases
to establish
themselves so most of time
exhibits a fairly uniform
placidity on the
local scale if you see what I
mean but for the past twenty
five thousand years or
fifty thousand or million
depending on your sensitivity to
something else has been
happening acceleration
connectivity a complex and
of the Matrix and we are
products of this but it
hasn't it isn't it isn't a
smooth descent or a scent toward
greater complexity it's a
movement toward complexity or
novelty as I call it
there are steps
steps back are setbacks
sometimes they last millions of
years sometimes they last
minutes and this leads me then
that's enough background
so one reason this is called a
descent into briefing for a
descent into
novelty is because according to
this Theory we are in a
descent into novelty a very
descent began on on the 5th of
February just a week ago in the
20th century there have only
been two other
periods that theory defines as
this novel the first one
is the period from October 1928
to October 1929
and the second one is from
December 1942
December of 1941 now now
interestingly both of those
purely formal mathematical
mathematical ends nail major
upheavals of novelty in the 20th
century the first the collapse
of the
world economy culminating in the
American Stock crash of October
29 the
second World War War II raging
furiously all through
1940 and then ending in December
41 by the u.s. being dragged in
with the Japanese attack so so
novelty theory theory is in the
amidst as we speak of
a test test
hair is the novelty Market
soaring is novelty pouring into
the system
at a very fast rate now some
people thought that you know the
dead would rise on the 25th of
February that isn't how it works
throughout throughout the past
couple of years and I'm sure you
aware of it we have been in a
recidivist period in American
politics and life
life meaning a conservative ear
and that has gotten more and
more constipated and more and
more self-congratulatory and
more and more
certain of itself and hence
odious and I
believe we've crossed over the
cusp and now that all is
in a state of complete chaos and
collapse there there are many
many many things on the agenda
for the next few months
that could usher in enormous
novelty although
novelty usually arrives in the
form of the unexpected in other
words the source of the novelty
might be a return
of communism to power in Russia
or it might be
what else is scheduled an
American election is scheduled
and Israeli election is
scheduled it could be
that the Chinese will attempt to
grab Taiwan and create World
War 3 Miss judgment could lead
that direction but it could be
positive novelty has no morality
and AIDS cure
you know what else
can I
think of of along those well
technological breakthrough you
know starflight or
or cold fusion or something like
that I mean these things lurk as
possibilities leaning into
the Continuum of space-time
always willing to be sucked into
actualization if you can get the
Mojo right so so part of the
briefing of a descent into
novelty here is to ask him
discuss the the question does it
feel like we've come over a cusp
does it feel like we're
in a situation of increasing
novelty day
by day by day this will last on
into early June and then if not
if we all get together in
mid-summer and agree it was kind
of a dud
didn't really live up to
expectations well then that's
real data
for looking at the time way my
people are
confused sometimes by who and
what I am and that's because in
my personality which is a
humbler word
the method two things are united
which are usually not
found co-present my
techniques are all shamanic
and involve perturbing the
senses and dissolving
ordinary ordinary states of Mind
through psychedelics so my
techniques are shamanic but my
my my
what I call I guess method not
techniques but method
is rational and analytical so I
shamanic techniques to go into
shamanic places and then attempt
study them scientifically using
reason say what is this
how does it work what is it made
of whathow do its parts relate
to each other and what is its
inner dynamic and
apparently though it seems
fairly obvious to me is a fairly
radical Union of
techniques scientists don't
explore psychedelics because
somehow the
scientific mind must not be
besmirched by
contact and contamination with
the things studying but how the
hell can
you study psychedelics without
taking them rats or not not very
and graduate students still less
so so eventually you know you're
going to have to get your feet
wet well then they say well but
that destroys your scientific
objectivity well not if it's the
only method the only path
to contacting the phenomenon
that you're attempting to study
so that has worked for me I am
not part of the new
age in my own mind to me the new
age age is
fide by an incredible credulity
and in
other immunity to cognitive
dissonance I mean you know you
can believe that the
world is ruled from the Pleiades
and you can believe that l.ron
Hubbard is God there seems to be
no end to the number of
contradictions that the new age
can simultaneously entertain
but what I have done is is I
probe weird eNOS
I am but rationally most people
who are attracted to weirdness
want to convert and believe it
take it in and exalt it I don't
I don't want to believe
anything I hated the ology all
idealogy that's what I
why I'm so casual about the
possible crushing of my own
ideologies are a lesser lesser
a lesser resolution of our
dilemma than
we are capable of the higher
resolution lies in real feelings
and real community and affection
ideology has
poisoned the last Thousand Years
all of these ideologies
have ultimately done more good
and been more bad than good
Marxism Marxism Christianity
even you know at the risk of
off a riot freudianism on and on
and on the the correct method I
think is simply the
phenomenological approach
catalog data seek patterns
draw conclusions test them back
against the original
data now most people who
Advocate that kind of an
approach somehow
come down down it brings them
down they say well this
method then shows you that being
is only this
and thought is only that and
love is merely this and so
in other words it's a it reduces
everything it insults everything
haven't found that to be the
case I've found real
real weirdness
the world is strange very very
very strange not only I mean far
Stranger Than I suppose
and Orders of magnitude more
strange than these cheerful work
scientists and keepers of the
Faith of our culture Suppose
there are doorways there are
edges there are passageways
but for every real one there are
10,000 dead ends ends
cul-de-sacs and cheap
of one sort so so to go out as
an arching new into the world
seeking to invest your
belief in something you will be
instantly sucked
into some screwy thing and your
life force pulled from you and
you will be
used and abused as launching
news and naives always are
much better approach is you know
be tough
the truth does not require your
participation in order to exist
does but the truth is fine
thank you whether you believe in
it or not so what is
what is gained by the
truth if you believe in it
nothing I maintain and and you
are diminished you are
diminished because by believing
in something you have precluded
your freedom to believe in its
opposite you
he's away the most precious
existential currency in the
universe so
so you know I think it's very
good to be tough
to ask the hard questions and
but to
to go a long way down the path
with these claimants to secret
insight lineage But
ultimately you know the hard
questions questions have to be
asked stand this is not a
path toward dispelling the
mystery from the universe
this is the way to get to the
real gold in a hurry not become
glamorized or subverted by the
dross of of the world
well maybe that's enough for
this evening we will go over all
of these things at the level of
intensity that you are
interested in in it's
time to get down to the how much
how and when questions about the
compounds and
plants that is technique and
that's important because it's
fine to sit here talking about
the Psychedelic
experience this Bears no
resemblance to the Psychedelic
experience in any form
whatsoever so it's
very important that you leave
here here empowered
empowered to make your way into
these places with confidence
and then the other thing to pay
attention to is inevitably the
our ass backwards Society works
it creates Cults of personality
Renaissance stabilized points of
focus on the
celebrity personality Who is the
the teacher the guy the
microphone at the woman who
where is the microphone what you
can really take away from here
if you're smart is community of
some sort probably
someone in this room has what
you need and I guarantee
you it isn't me so don't waste
your time on me
but that's all there for you
to sort out so techniques we can
discuss the
formation of community and
Association is your own business
then as much time as you want to
spend on the what is it all mean
natural side of the question
and we'll dig into all of this
at 10 o'clock tomorrow morning
thank you very much get some
sleep or go to the baths or do
both or go to the rave okay well
before I get into
my schpeel is anybody have
anything they want to say this
morning which can range from
your have snores in your room
to some profound objection or or
action of what went on last
night yeah question
as to why decent into novelty
entwine entwine this I've this
comes up up the there are
reasons originally and then I've
invented new ones since
the time thing quantifies
novelty but it
quantifies it you could almost
say it quantifies it negatively
because the maximum
of novelty has a numerical value
of 0 so
so how I pictured this was I
picture the space-time continuum
like a
landscape but topology well then
I think of time as a fluid
medium of some sort well
naturally a fluid medium Finds
Its equilibrium at the lowest
energy point in the system so
the river flows toward the sea
this question of energy flows
and what is
pejorative and what is not I've
learned is a completely culture
value there are tribes in the
Amazon Amazon for whom rivers
where they meet another River
obviously and
they end where they Peter Out
Among some Springs and swamps up
in the
mountain to them this is
perfectly obvious that that's
how Rivers work
to us it's inconceivable thing
goes the other way way
if I had turned the wave on its
upside down then instead of
having maximum novelty quantify
at zero it would have simply
Quantified at some arbitrary
large integer in the 700,000
range so it
lacked Elegance so for all of
those reasons
I chose to have novelty be a
descent rather
an asset then later I in
Incorporated things like dynamic
and and
Chaos Theory and that sort of
thing into the model well then
what you get is
sort of the idea that the zero
point in time is like a
dog Well Point or in a tractor
and so all the processes in the
epigenetic landscape are being
channeled is is one way to think
gov it or pull is another way to
think of it or
pushed is another way to think
of it toward this certain point
in the system if that seems
complicated all I'm saying is
if you release the marble up
near the rim of a bowl it's easy
predict where it's going to come
to rest when it's still it's
going to come to rest at the
bottom of the bowl
that's the place where the
minimum energy of the system is
is okay
anything else out of last night
it's still possible to raise the
issue of
snoring don't feel Leaf we're so
far from the dock that you can't
jump back
back anything about it except
that I know
who to ask which would be my
brother Dennis but I've heard
that this is this is true that
they're getting a remarkable
remission of the symptoms with
it it's really part of a whole
Frontier you know that
Prozac has to do with and I just
a month ago went through
a horrific series of migraines
and so now I know all about
which is a Magic Bullet for
but a DMT related drug that also
like Prozac and like
ayahuasca all of these things
Target these these Sarah Connor
systems different
receptors in the brain and it
seems like a whole new
and much friendlier family of
drugs are going
to emerge out of this and some
of them are going to have
application to psychological
situations and some and some are
are going to definitely impact
stuff like
migraine and Parkinson's I don't
know why it took them so long to
look at the 5h HT family of
receptors because it's been
pretty obvious to psychedelic
heads for 30 years that of the
major neurotransmitter
systems in the brain that seemed
to be the one whose effects
like closest to observable
consciousness after I got out of
here last night I was reviewing
performance and I realized that
of the many descents into
novelty that were indicated
indicated the which was left out
which is sort of the overarching
of the whole thing is that life
itself is a
descent into novelty toward the
complete Singularity that defies
all anticipation or is very
difficult to come to terms
with people find it quirky that
I would
propose the end of the world and
they find it highly improbable
feel very good about being able
to reject it as improbable but
if you noticed how abstract all
that is in relationship to the
inevitable fact
of your own death I mean there
is an end of the world built
into your cosmology the end of
your world which is after all
the only world you know so it
may be that the planet will
swing a hundred billion times
times around
on the planet before the
consummation of time but it's
that doesn't mean that you have
permission not to contemplate
End States because you've got an
appointment with one out there
ten minutes or 50 years in the
so that little sobering
parenthesis can be
put around all of these other
descents into novelty the
will descent the analogy to the
historical descent produced by
the Psychedelic experience and
and that's what I wanted to
talk a little bit about this
morning is maybe it isn't clear
everyone's mind what this
historical acceleration and
descent into complexity what
that might conceivably have to
do with
one's personal relationship to
psychedelics psychedelics well
it's hard to see the connection
I think if you have a
a psychological model of what
Psychedelic experience is and by
that I mean one
one school of thought about
psychedelics is that
basically takes up the
vocabulary of freudianism and
unionism and says there is a
part of our mind which we are
ordinarily not
in contact with which is
composed of
thwarted thwarted desires
unexamined memories so forth and
so on and when we take
psychedelics somehow all
boundaries are dissolved and we
confront this material and if
it's traumatic than the ordinary
dynamics of psycho therapeutic
curing cotton and so this
becomes a kind of catalyst
for for four psychoanalysis
of some form so that's one model
and then another model is that
this is
a parallel world of some sort
that we encountered that's
closer to what I'm proposing but
I've come to rest within this is
a kind of mathematical
model that consciousness
like certain chemical systems
has to states of crystallization
there is the mundane mind which
basically has
evolved in a carnivorous hunting
monkey as
a threat detection device and it
is extraordinary
focused on nearby
three-dimensional space and time
it's from there that some that
some threat an enemy a
saber-toothed tiger something
and and so the mind has evolved
as an
aura of threat detection around
the body
but that's it that is the kind
of utilitarian application
of it it in the same way that
water takes the shape of any
vessel that it's poured into
mind to is a kind
of fluid and
takes the shape of any vessel
it's pouring
in the ordinary circumstance of
Consciousness in
three-dimensional space
consciousness fills the three
dimensional space-time Continuum
and returns a description of it
to the animal body but if you
still the body and remove the
threat by
posting guards at the front of
the cave and moving back to
where the Firs the women and the
children are in other words if
you will raise your your comfort
considerably and then take these
neuro chaotic substances in
other words things which produce
a perturbation in ordinary brain
then the perturbation becomes a
kind of energy that
dissolves this threat detection
architecture of
consciousness and within all
that there is the
Phoenix of hyperspace which is
what's called shamanic
Consciousness and
consciousness is not bounded by
three dimensional space and time
and can move through the many
levels of the universe at
the speed of thought and it is
not a body-centered
Consciousness usually these
occur when for all practical
purposes the body appears deeply
asleep or dead
I mean it's in a trance you're
traveling so mind is apparently
tool for the exploration of the
dimensions that are
built into nature and
what Shamanism is if you analyze
it from this point of view
it becomes much more rational
apprehend double think about the
classic classic
characteristics of shamanism
are whether profits this is very
important to be able to predict
the weather
shamans can predict the movement
of game
and so they are directly linked
into the nutrition
acquisition survival equation of
the human group that they
represent and shamans have have
incredible in
into somebody's pilfering from
somebody's food cache the shaman
can get right to the heart
of this social problem and set
it right and then
finally shamans cure with quite
impressive success rates in a
world devoid of
antibiotic surgery X-ray and so
forth and so on they do very
well so all of this seems to
Verge on the edge of magic
they seem to have a different
relationship to space time and
energy than
ordinary people how do they do
it well if you
imagine that the mind can unfold
in a higher spatial
dimension then yesterday and
tomorrow are no more
distant than today and all
boxes have an open door in them
and and also all the end state
of all
processes in time can easily be
discerned so
really what a shaman is is
someone with four dimensional
perception who carefully
chooses their patients for for
recovery and doctors will tell
you part of being a good doctor
is to know what patients to
because you know there is an
empathy there in
there has to
be a certain kind of linkage so
I don't think in principle there
is a violation of physics
involved there is simply
a violation or a broadening of
the definition of what
perception is well
the question becomes how to
reach these states yeah sure
this is a track that I think of
often like the mind assuming the
shape of the bag because I do a
lot with people who are you
unfortunately it right where it
is to encounter that and you
talk about getting safe from the
Tigers I mean we don't have
tigers but we have to protect
ourselves from
but dear God Almighty we have so
many other things that were so
involved in protecting ourselves
from that we've got these layers
and layers and layers and layers
of Defense
the keep us from being in touch
with I think those shamanic ways
of being
are our natural human resource
resource that we all have have
and the great sadness and
heartbreak for me is that we're
so out of touch with it they
wasting the greatest affect you
being alive and instead we fill
our minds
with this absolute Dear God
dribble I mean don't we
what what are the things that we
think about most of the time
it's dribble and
I mean we're very lucky here
it's very pretty and
everything's very nice and we
can have pleasant conversation
but to really get to the core
issues of what
what we're doing here what we
could be using this experience
for is such a contrast to me but
welcome this kind of
conversation well see the
problem is I think
that culture is a flight from
reality all all cultures
a flight from reality so to the
degree that you are
normal whether you're we Toto or
manhattanite or Parisian
but to the degree that you are
normal it that means means
houses xur very
successfully taking part in the
flight the cultural flight from
you are supporting the mass
and paying dues into it and it's
difficult in the nage
like now where there's so much
stress on ethnicity and
community and roots
and all that to preach this to
preach that culture is not your
it's a trap it's a it's a limit
limit but
really I radical human freedom
is what you were boring for and
culture is a kind of placenta
which if you develop normally by
around age 20 you have no need
of it and in fact you've
recognized the toxic nature of
it and are trying to put it
behind you and and get away from
the rationale for many people
living in cities and large
virtual environments with glass
with know with no contact to
to the natural world and there
justification for that is over
well there's culture where else
am I
going good point these
are the same people who when you
suggest to them that their
children watch too much TV they
say but
if they didn't watch TV how
would they learn about nature
these wonderful
it's really funny funny that you
have that take on the on the
urban experience because you
know I've since August been
recently thrown into the
American Urban experience of
Manhattan and what's so
interesting to me is how many
people I need to say well I'm in
Manhattan because I don't have
these Vedic culture I'm in
Manhattan because I can do my
own thing and nobody cares
nobody pays attention I'm not
violating the community that I
grew up with I'm not violating
my parents I can get away with
you can be lost in a sense it's
a of jungle that's interesting
yeah well the word virtual was
used here obviously you're all
aware there's a lot of Ballyhoo
now about virtual reality and
the critics
of its say it will further
artificial eyes and remove us
from our
there is nothing new Happening
here except that we're going
from stucco and steel and
masonry two photons on
a tube when they built herb or
building a virtual reality and
when they all marched inside and
close the gates
they were inside a mental
construction of human beings
that was entirely artificial
and we've been there ever since
and all this computer
Revolution is is a shift to more
lightweight building materials
so the recovery of the natural
state of human beings is I think
somewhat Chimaera uncle the only
time you
recover the natural state of
human beings is in orgasm and in
apotheosis and then you know for
moments you recovered and then
your dropped back down through
levels and
levels of culture programming
obligation Matrix stuff Matrix
Matrix anyway what I wanted to
get to is then how to do
this how to get
get out of culture how to get
out of three dimensional space
how to get in to this super
space well there are two main
methods on the table and
one is through no matter how you
cut it
some manipulation of the the
maybe breath control
maybe diet may be extreme
postures maybe some sexual
technique could be
mantra etc etc and strangely
often unaccompanied by
substances plants or drugs but
almost always accompanied by
enormous doses of
fuzzy thought and ideology
usually known as a religion
so that there is that path and
the claim that you can
achieve somehow the Paradox of
being outside
without ever leaving Culture by
using the cultural instrument of
religion too
to make your way to the heart of
the mystery I reject this I
just think it's it's bunk it was
something it was it's
an effort to close the loophole
it's an effort to Channel
all spiritual thirst in a
direction that is still
culturally affirming
but spiritual thirst can't
be culturally affirming because
it's a rejection of culture
culture generates spiritual
okay so then the other method on
the table
are psychedelics Arthur rimbaud
the French symbolist poet his
theory of politics
he was that it could only be
achieved by what he called a
of the senses and some of you
may have seen a couple of years
ago a wonderful cartoon in the
New Yorker
bunch of business men sitting
around a highly polished
conference room table
with the chart going down down
down in the back obviously the
profits of the company and the
chairman of the board is saying
to this little man man who has
obviously just said something
he's saying you're right Higgins
that a deliberate disordering of
the senses worked for Rambo
but would it work for us us
probably not for Acme
Corporation but it will work for
us and the way it's achieved is
dissolving the chemical
stability that lies behind
the mental and cultural
stabilities in other words going
to a very deep level going to
the molecular architecture of of
the brain itself and and then
making changes and
for reasons mysterious and
certainly worthy of discussion
we are accompanied on this
planet by
dozens and dozens of plants that
do this and do very little else
in other words
pose no problem to the physical
Integrity of the body or the
long-term Integrity of the the
culturally constructed
did normal mind but which for
minutes or hours dissolve the
three-dimensional threat
construct of the Mind and
replace it with something else
and then we can talk about what
is the something else
William James said of the
newborn infant he said we are
into a Bloomin buzzing buzzing
Ian which is a pretty
good description of the first 30
seconds of a DMT Flash it's
a blooming buzzing confusion
well then is it
simply that all reality is
psychedelic but if you spend
enough time
in any reality it tends to
mundane eyes is that it
and if you could be high on DMT
for four years at the end of the
day you would navigate
it the way a four-year-old child
child navigates this perhaps
probably so although possibly
that there are my God yeah we do
but when you burst into the DMT
space you don't arrive as the
Ross of the newborn infant you
arrive with your host Cyril and
your Pythagoras and all the
rest of it fully intact in your
hip pocket if you
need to use it well so
so long before written culture
long before cities so forth and
so on this potential for the the
dissolving and recrystallizing
of the Mind through the use of
plants had been discovered it
may have been one of the very
discoveries of human beings and
it I
believe and argued in my book
food of the Gods
that these things actually
synergize synergize
hi States of information
processing and transfer that
spoken language itself is a kind
of overflowing
of the cup of thought into the
verbal circuitry
that is occasioned by pushing
the human envelope with the
presence of psychedelic
psychedelic compounds and
the way this works in a
shamanistic society is
Aboriginal societies have
located in their environment
plants that are effective in
causing this sort of state to
occur and these will be
inevitably with very few
exceptions in dull containing
plans all of the interesting
psychedelics with the exception
of mescaline which is an
amphetamine and Alpha Salvadoran
is I believe a nice lean
everything is an indole LSD DMT
psilocybin ebo gain and it's
quite a small family they are
all serotonin antagonist
and they are so all structural
competitors for the
bond site the receptor site in
the nervous system where
all of this stuff goes on I
suppose we should talk or
at least mentioned the fact that
the use of these things is
illegal in most
societies and to and furiously
in some societies I don't find
this very interesting I just
think it's
has to do with the suppression
of most effective means for
getting out of
culture sex itself would be
illegal if they could find a way
to make it so it obviously seems
to threaten the social orders
as as much
well so then if you are
interested in these things
beyond the the abstract
acquisition of data then there's
a lot of detail work
ahead of you you have to learn a
lot about plants a lot about
Aboriginal cultures a lot about
chemistry and a
lot about yourself and then you
bring all this together
and and sir search for a tool
that works for you and
you know human beings are
highly variable I took a course
years ago from Sasha and
at one point there were about
500 people in this class it was
a class in forensic chemistry
of all things and at one point
he brought in in a test tube a
compound that was passed around
and sniffed and out of
500 people too had a violent
reaction to this stuff and then
he told told us the
inch of sensitivity and human
beings to this compound is over
three orders of magnitude and
yet so the person sitting next
to you could be 10,000 times
more sensitive
to this chemical than you are so
you sort of have to
learn the landscape of your own
nervous system some people there
are powerful shamanic systems
for example built on deter has
tro pains the the things it
occur in Jimson weed and these
are de Torres that you see used
in landscaping with the
Beautiful pendulous fragrant
flowers those those contain
mind-altering substances I can't
take those things because
they I become delirious it's a
useless state to me I become
confused and many people that's
their reaction but maybe one
in 50 fifty has a different
of receptors for this and can
hold presence and
and work through it so so you
need to study the classic
shamanic Allison
hallucinogen using complexes in
the world and they are without
an effort to be exhaustive
the psilocybin complex in Mexico
based on many species of
mushrooms occurring there
especially in the Sierra moss
teca the Ayahuasca
complex in the Amazon basin
which is a combinatorial
thing made of two plans which
synergize each
other the iboga complex in
Western Africa
which runs on ebo
gain which is derivative of
Tabernacles iboga the Peyote
complex of the
American southwest Southwest
and then arguably not a
psychedelic but since arguably
we will include it the worldwide
presence of the cannabis complex
in different manifestations so
so and then of course the entire
issue of
synthetic chemistry it's often
been thought
that I am some kind of
monotheists about plants and
denounce all synthetic chemistry
it not from some kind of
absolute it's simply that with
synthetic chemistry you don't
have the
kind of database you have with a
plant it take a plant
ayahuasca probably been used
five or six thousand years
so we have our human Data sample
we know that
this doesn't cause blindness
miscarriage birth defects
Madness so
forth and so on
a drug fresh out of the
laboratory that you've had a
good response from 12 people
with is by no means suddenly
safe I mean tens of thousands of
people have to to take this drug
for many years before you can
certified and the other thing to
remember is no drug is safe you
can kill yourself
with water if you drink enough
of it drugs are
poisons this is what they are
and the question is you know the
judicious use
of poisons elicit certain
responses but you definitely
want to have this understanding
well so then there is a vast
vast literature about all this
and anthropological literature
a chemical literature and to
some degree of
philosophical and analytical
literature and reading all these
descriptions you
eventually something attracts
you and then the question is how
to do it and the way to do it I
think especially in the
is is
in silent Darkness on an empty
stomach you don't want
to see the culture
psychedelically put through a
psychedelic filter you want to
see the ding on see
shove it the thing in itself so
you just want to put a black and
Silent screen behind it and
people say well but won't it be
boring boring having obviously
meditative know
it's not like that people who
are honest
meditators will tell you that
it's the most boring undertaking
in the world that somehow
it's a metaphysical of boredom
is what it is you know it's
it's it's the way you do
psychedelics as you sit
and you close your eyes but
notice that when most people sit
and close close their eyes
they fall inward they have
closed their eyes so why should
they continue to look outward
but I think it's very important
the state of anticipation of the
Psychedelic meaning before it
comes on and as it comes on to
sit with eyes
closed but looking simply
imagine that there is a
surface of black surface a foot
in front of your face and just
watch it
and and somehow this
expectation of seeing is a
permission to structures in the
brain to begin to
present and then once of course
the lock is made it's often
difficult to turn
it off but getting the channel
tuned in right at the beginning
can be tricky and all the
techniques of unknown
psychedelic spiritual Pursuit
work in the presence of
psychedelics in my it's the only
time they work so in other words
pranayama yantra Mantra suddenly
things are become as advertised
rather than
you know I've said it ten
thousand times I'm not sure I'm
getting anywhere
so I think it's very good to him
these knowledge of these
spiritual techniques and have
your mantras folded and ready at
your elbow when you you plunge
in there yeah
what about shamanic cultures
this is an
interesting question and in
anthropology it's been
a raging debate for 30 years or
more the definitive work
on shamanism or the great
classic work on Shamanism
is called Shamanism the archaic
techniques of ecstasy by mircea
eliade and and Ilya
was Romanian whoo educated in
France and became a brilliant
wrote one of the best books ever
written on Yoga yoga immortality
and freedom wrote a book that
changed my life forever called
Cosmos and
history many many books a great
historian of religion
and but when Iliad came to the
phenomenon of
intoxication intoxication in an
ism he completely
reverted to his European
constipated male Dominator
French structuralist roots and
he said
narcotic this was the word he
used which noticed the
imprecision of that that right
there tells you this person
doesn't quite enough at the
front of the line but he said
narcotic shamanism is decadent
decadent resort to drugs this is
decadent well then Gordon Watson
Who was the discovery of the
mushroom complex took exactly
the opposite position and said
Shamanism in the absence of
psychoactive plants is on its
way to turning into ordinary
priestcraft craft and religion
and and so
and in my experience this is
true I mean I agree
with Wasson for the
following listen there is
nothing intrinsically to be
valued I think in suffering
there's I'm Buddhist enough to
believe that there's enough
suffering without inviting or
creating it
so so when you lay the
Psychedelic path next to the
non psychedelic but effective
path it's an ordeal ordeal
it's that's how it's done you
starve yourself you go into the
wilderness you pierce yourself
you may in fact take plants that
are not psychedelic but that
induce severe cramping or
diarrhea or something like that
you may be
flagellated you may be covered
with red ants you may be hung
upside down you may be beaten
senseless I mean clearly to my
mind what this events is a kind
of desperation
to attain the state's almost no
price is
too great and you know you start
shedding blood in a tropical
environment in Europe
for grabs for severe septicemia
and all sorts of things so it's
a very
heavy thing meanwhile these
plants you
prepare the concoction– you
take it there may be a little
gastric distress there
may be a little psychological
distress but no matter how bad
it gets
six to 12 hours later you're
able to tell the story around
the campfire and you have
smoothly cleanly cut to the
center of the mandalas and
returned so I think if we are
saying that
entry into the shamanic world is
to be achieved by
technique and all Scholars of
shamanism agree with this
well then as you lay these
techniques Side by side clearly
the use of hallucinogenic plants
is more sophisticated in the
sense that we judge
a Maserati to be more
sophisticated than a coach and
it simply goes faster works
smoother is more
comfortable and gets you there
in better shape now some
cultures are in the unfortunate
not many but some of having
having no really effective
hallucinogen in their cultural
area and in almost every case
they have found a way
and people will go to Great
Lengths I'm sure as you know
an example of both a poor in my
mind poor although there are
who would rise up and holy wrath
over this but the Amanita
cults of Western Siberia among
the tunguska and Kamchatka
people I've taken Amanita
muscaria I know many people
who've taken it it's an
extremely trying experience at
and I don't think you could
build a religion of ecstasy
around it unless you were in a
desperately sensory
deprived environment with no
other intoxicants
available to support my argument
the Amanita cults
collapsed almost immediately we
upon contact with vodka
and the so in other words in the
minds of these Siberian Shaymin
two vehicles laid side by side
their traditional mushroom and
vodka vodka was
to be preferred people have made
of Amanita muscaria but even its
most enthusiastic proponents
that they could never get
off off
so that you know that's a severe
Mark against one of these things
they must be effective one of
the things that is held up the
development of this field I'm
briefly mentioned it yesterday
was the unwillingness of
researchers to experience these
things you know to go and live
with an Aboriginal people and
see that every new and full moon
they they take something and the
whole society
goes through changes and then
then they talked of
else until the next time they
take it and this is what they
live for and you're studying
their language and their value
system and all this and you
don't do it it it makes no sense
at all and yet until very
recently if you were to do it
your colleagues back at Miss
Atomik University would whip
their Knives out and denounce
you as unprofessional going back
to the
bush not good method so forth
and so on so it's been an
phobia about contacting this by
and and so it's been left
counter cultures to Fringe
people to individual
experimenters to eccentrics of
various types and in the
underground then an enormous
database has been built up
nobody knows as much about
psychedelics as people in the
underground because
they're the people who've
actually actually taken them
correlated the data and
and kept track of it so we're
almost we have an official
science of pharmacology and then
we have this oddly developing
subculture and you know it used
to be be
ten years ago I suppose that a
genuine shaman was a person in a
traditional culture ministering
to the
needs of of tribal group
somewhere now now
there are a large number I don't
know thousands of people who
I consider full-fledged shamans
and full-fledged members of
cyber Electric culture culture I
mean shaman
not necessarily A phenomenon of
the upper river and Offroad
so here are people there are
people who have all the tools of
Western science and epistemology
they've been to Harvard they've
studied philosophy and Science
and all
mathematics and they are fully
empowered with the tools of
archaic Shamanism they've been
to these places and
and strangely enough enough in
many cases these are some of the
most creative people in the
culture I mean I don't think he
would mind me mentioning him in
context somebody like Mark Pesce
who is you know a full-on
psychedelic techno pagan and the
genius who created vrml which is
going to let us all walk into
cyberspace high-tech
and ksham and shamanic cultures
are almost almost too
in this country and I think it
has to do with the fact that
in this is what I mentioned last
night talking about the toxicity
idealogy that we're moving into
a post ideological
world we're moving into a world
where the bankruptcy of
ideologies is
obvious all ideologies are
faiths even
can be demonstrated to be a
faith that rests on certain
eel truths which are never
questioned to build a non-toxic
future we are going to Simply
have to solve
many of our problems
pragmatically for instance right
now we have
many problems
AIDS overpopulation this and
that all of these problems could
be solved except that we have
rule when we approach a problem
the solution
solution must
to make money there are many
problems where the solution
there is no solution that makes
money money so if you
refuse any solution but that
type your
your up River well anyway that's
a slight digression
yeah sure lead me back however I
will say that there are a few
there are a few
in on my bookshelf and that's a
horrible way to do it and I
agree with you I really agree
with people therapy on my
bookshelf Franklin them are
awoke would be one Gopi Krishna
would be another Yogananda from
people that I have met
that it spent time with him
might be a third I feel better
about the first two there are
in history that really seemed to
be beatific well you know Aldous
Huxley said very interesting
thing about psychedelics
and I think it had dress is this
he he said if psychedelics he
said it is a
gratuitous grace now what does
this mean it means
it is neither necessary nor
for salvation it is neither
nor sufficient for salvation but
certainly certainly helps
it's so taking psychedelics
doesn't make you a superior
I'm this interests me very much
because I've now been at this
for 30 years and your original
are we better people fascinates
me because
if we are not better people for
doing this
then we're just another cult
we're like the Mormons or
shoko asahara or just we have
this closed system of belief
we do this thing we say it makes
you better it's no different
from Lodi
Han or Mantra Jana or some other
practice it's just our practice
is fairly radical
and we claim it makes us better
people well
yeah and what I'm saying is
rather than take the thing
in itself and say does this make
us better or not what
what is the set of to
2 dues that does make us better
what is that said how do we do
that what's the what's the
manual of life well my argument
in favor of that how that it
does make us better and here's
how is that
love is is obviously the highest
human ideal I mean that's like a
cliché to say that but love is
the highest human ideal
well loved consists it seems
to me
largely of dissolution that we
become we merge with the thing
loved we
soften our boundaries and of
course mail primate
sexuality has to do with
penetration and murdered all
sexuality except some fish
there's some shared sharing of
space and so forth well these
psychedelics in that sense then
are inherently
of amorous or
or inherently sexy because
that's what they do they
dissolve boundaries between you
and other people and other
things and as a primate when the
boundary is dissolved what you
feel is love
or or if you're a traumatized by
bad upbringing
and childhood abuse and who
knows what when the boundaries
dissolve what you
feel is fear fear
but if you have if you are not
damaged the proper response is
love and I think through
the psychedelics if you have
fear and we all do believe me
because it's
terrifying to shed the old
but beyond the fear lies the
love if you can persist
through it and and so really the
demand that
psychedelics psychedelics make
on us this may be another reason
why perhaps
we tend to be better people
that's all I would say is
demand of Courage courage every
single person who
says they've done psychedelics
several dozen times is
a courageous person you're
standing in the presence of
fearlessness because otherwise
people turn away from it and I
think courage is
probably a good value probably
makes you a good person to hike
in the woods
with or have an affair with or
whatever so it makes this
courageous and it dissolves
boundaries which
layout in love or fear and the
fear that they let in can be
transformed in the Psychedelic
State through an inner Alchemy
into love that's why you know
the most dramatic personality
Transformations I've ever seen
my own have been psychedelically
induced in just half an on the
dime you know you go into it
personally a and 12 hours later
you come out and you are not
that it doesn't always work
work like that I mean that's but
nothing else ever works like
that so so and speed
seems to expand people's
tolerance for sexual activity
that they would ordinarily
refused they will accept under
speed so
these compounds change our
sexual values around and
a society using psilocybin
on a regular basis would
dissolve this
male dominance dominance
hierarchy and it I think with
the glue of an orgiastic and
more egalitarian system and for
long time we lived like that and
in that period when we lived
like that language music
compassion love all the higher
values emerged well then
at some point and for
complicated reasons not
necessary to discuss
unless you want to the the
mushrooms disappeared
and the chemical fix that had
been in place for thousands
of thousands of years that was
suppressing this older male
dominant style of
behavior just drained out of the
system and suddenly
men were very interested in
controlling women's Behavior and
the orgies Gees were canceled
and the levels of anxiety began
to rise and people began to
think in terms of turf and
property and
and my Trend and my food and in
short the
hideous Union of the animal and
the spiritual that we meet in
ourselves came into being we are
like the
inheritors of a dysfunctional
childhood or something something
happened to all of us in our
past four
hundred thousand years we were
at our most human without
without material culture living
in a world of Magic and song and
and husbandry you know living
lightly on the land
herding cattle in the presence
of mushrooms this seems to be
that was the climax
of The of the pre technical
Faith well then
agriculture changed all that
created surpluses has ended
nomadism provided a raison
d'etre for cities the the return
of mail
and send it in God Kings and
standing armies
and then you know we've had five
thousand years of this now
6000-7000 whatever and we're at
the end of our rope you know
with the planet is at crisis our
are clueless divine intervention
is our best hope
either from flying saucers are
the second coming or something
and and in the the
presence of so much obvious
difficulty of people are turning
more and more toward irrational
faiths and just waiting for the
space brothers to pull us out of
this mess
well you know to quote A
Grateful Dead song You
can't go back and you can't
stand still if the the Thunder
don't get you then
will this thing has was
set in motion a hundred thousand
years ago and now we
are caught in the consequences
of our forebears
stupid decisions
or brilliant decisions whatever
but we're being forced through I
mean I agree that
there's a lot of Q Force
building up in the society and
other words
vibration it's almost like as
you try to push an airfoil
through the sound barrier
as you approach Hyper Sonic
velocity the thing begins to
shake and if it hasn't been
correctly designed the wings
will tear off but if it has been
correctly designed the queue
force will
maximize and then very suddenly
plummet and that's called
breaking the sound barrier and
you're through it's very clear
that this culture is revving up
up to camped the leap into
hyperspace and it's either going
succeed and we will become
unrecognizable to ourselves and
Scatter through the Galaxy as
Motes of light or
we will fail and probably
biology will cancel the
R&D division on intelligent life
and go back to ground squirrels
Chipmunks and monarch
butterflies that's worked so
well for so so long Ang
he hasn't
been back and forth
the heavens flow and makes me
wonder about
computers in the internet and
the World Wide Web how now we're
trying to structure ourselves in
a in something and seems to
be going against the human brain
brain and
I do think it goes against the
human brain well it's artificial
we invented artificiality
I mean I don't disagree with you
I somebody pointed something out
to me recently
that I find very interesting
they pointed out that in a cubic
inch of forest soil there's
about 11
thousand miles of mycelial
wiring now we're
building something called the
internet and furiously laying
copper and fiber optic
everywhere and soon it will go
wireless I think that this nap
that we're building is not the
most artificial construction
ever conceived it's a simulacrum
of nature is
what it is nature is the
original internet I mean
nature is some kind of
interconnected communicating
data routing self-regulating
system and as we go nanotech as
we we descend to the
molecular level our teachers are
going to be plants viruses
bacteria they know how to do it
down there and we don't and I
think that the artificial
phase of Technology is simply
that a phase
remember in Arthur C Clarke book
the city of the Sea and the
Stars the central dictum
of that I-80 and it had been a
rule followed for a million
was no machine shall have any
moving part
and that's coming and those are
machines we can
barely imagine and they will be
you know smaller than an ATS
the artificial natural thing
seems to me a synthetic dualism
in fact all dualisms are
synthetic because at least in my
book there is a there is some
kind of
neoplatonic one that lies behind
all the Lesser
understandings that give us us
well I think you know what
nature teaches and what life
teaches is that worry is
preposterous worry is a
form of ego Mania because in
order to worry you have
to assume you understand the
situation what are the odds that
you actually do understand the
situation very low I would think
in the more abstract the worry
you know I'm
about you know right come ladach
and he's running around free
over there in a country I've
seen I was this the same thing
for me to be worrying about I
had to I don't think so
worry is preposterous and how
I've understood that is
I'm not a fatalist or a
predestination person
predestination is preposterous
because if
the world is absolutely
absolutely predestined then you
think what you think
because you couldn't think
anything else that makes The
Quest For Truth
somewhat pointless in order for
there to be truth there has to
be error otherwise how would we
know truth so
well enough on that yeah it may
be the last couple of comments
and then my own
art are positing a third way but
you're not not a technique of
aesthetic practices in religion
or even second but more a way of
being and which one is open
and receptive to the incredible
patterns that exist within like
contact back and my own
experience in providing a very
experience for myself alone
great deal skeleton is moving
is that things
happened with her absolutely
magical and it seems to come out
of my willingness to play and to
and to love the things in my
environment and
house that's a little bit bit
what you talking ability to
experience and I would like that
to be considered as a viable way
of achieving
the unity and the love of these
of life that you well well the
key thing I think in what
you said was you to be open and
aware you can go to the
wilderness and it it's harder
for some people than
others but psycho
certainly make it easier I mean
I've sat it's it makes it simply
like with LSD and Wilderness
what I found is it simply makes
it possible to sit still and
unearthly amount of time and
that's all you have to do for it
all to
go on as soon as you disappear
into the landscape then stuff
begins to happen I mean amazing
things go on ice at once on a
beach in Asia Asia Stoned on LSD
and little
crab came along and cleaned my
every one of them it just moved
from fingernail to Fina Ana had
this little Claw on it
etched the mound and it took a
long time and I was just just
this and it would climb down one
thing and go out to the other
one finish go down here and you
know how
only Buddha or LSD
you that kind of to power to sit
still I think it's
maybe I misunderstood people but
I think it's a reconstructed
we don't say that ants are the
termites have separated
themselves out buying from
nature by building a termite
which is which is a really good
skyscraper for termites and why
why all of a
sudden when we put when man goes
out and builds a skyscraper and
puts himself in it he's no
longer participates in nature is
it seems so strange to me I mean
because we're in a terrarium
well we we have we have
to me to say that if you do
certain things sitting on the
rock is in nature sitting on the
top of the World Trade Center is
not I mean we can't judge that
we can't judge it just seems so
strange well there are two
there's a categorical difference
that people sense but candy
always articulate what it is is
nature is a genetic machine of
some sort everything is under
the control of jeans
jeans except that when you get
to human beings there are these
things called epigenetic
behaviors in other words how you
make a Chevrolet is not written
into the DNA of human beings the
anthill is
a genetic program but what we
are is freakily
out of control of our genetic
heritage we don't behave like a
we speak many languages that's
unheard of a species which has
more which has localized
communication systems and yet
that's how we do it there is no
human Universal way of
communicating we've culturally
fragmented that pardon me have
local dialects you know
yeah yeah let me see I think
a shy
okay I mean it's
not just a human characteristic
there are some that use a rock
and a log
they put the not in the log and
then crack it and there are
other gorillas to can't crack
knocks and there are other girls
I mean I mean just because
something is epigenetic does not
mean it's a part of nature it's
I mean no I agree with you I
agree with you but I Ste people
this difference it would be
quite astonishing if there were
epigenetic behavior our outside
of human beings that would
indicate it was some kind of
descent from above but I think
we nature is fully understood
there will be no dramatic
transitions everything is
anticipated everything is sort
of it begins as a theme and
then Rises to dominate the
the the other and more exciting
possibility is that we are
entirely under the control
troll of higher-order genetic
programming and that history is
a genetic process that has a
purpose and that it is like
gestation or fruition or
something and that and
you know a good example to have
in your intellectual tool
box is the slime mold slime
molds are these organisms which
have a very
peculiar life cycle let's cut in
at and
and random point in their life
cycle and what we find are
amoeba-like creatures almost
microscopic living in the soil
the decaying
leaves and stuff of the forest
floor they look like
single-celled amoebas but at a
certain point one of these
individual amoeba undergoes some
kind of stimulus
it's not well understood and it
begins to emit a chemical signal
which says come to
where I am and these amoebas
guides which may be spread out
over a few square yards of the
forest floor they all begin to
congregate at this spot where
this chemical signal is being
broadcast from and as they
arrive by the
Millions the original cell and
first arrivals on the scene are
literally lifted into
the air air by arrival of
millions and millions of
individuals and this thing forms
which is a couple of inches long
and has a pointed stock on it
and now we're looking at a macro
physical organism with a weight
in grams
and it then sporty Elites and
bursts and these spores spread
out through the air and descend
to the forest floor and become
these free-living amoebas Boyd
things and the whole cycle
starts Art's over again so this
is what is this
is this an animal that is
dissolved into it sells at one
stage of its existence or is it
millions of animals that at one
stage of their existence
aggregate together to form
something roughly analogous to a
human City I prefer the the pre
the former
explanation it seems to me that
and we are like that and history
could well be a process like
something is torn loose in our
species having to do with
information processing and
coding and we have we have we
literally have a symbiotic
relationship with the word and
western Civilization begins you
know in principio at verbum
adverb verbum Caro factum
asked in the beginning was the
word and the Reed has made flesh
so we're like the carriers of
this strange relationship too
a logos a kind of mind that
doesn't seem to be made
of matter but that seems to
permeate this planet and various
cultures in contact this on
various levels I mean this is
this is the spirit world of the
shaman this
is the logos world of the Greek
golden age so forth and
so on and some societies call it
God and some call it Gaia and
call it illusion but all
societies are aware of it as a
as a potential experience I
think history has a
purpose and that the obvious no
backness of it indicates that it
is some kind of
process that is it is designed
it is not a random walk it's not
the accumulation of endless
blunders it's actually
has a purpose and intent and
it's a style and when it
is fulfilled it will be it will
be replaced by something else
yeah do you all understand the
meme is kind of you
could say it's the basic if
genes are the basic units of
biology memes are the basic
basic units of ideologies and
culture so fascism is a meme
Madonna is
a meme all ideologies and all
short term cultural phenomena
are memes and these memes
whatever happened to Boy George
that kind of thing you know
some go extinct and some and
they can be
replicated I mean when I tell
you you when you repeat
my opinion it means you have
copied the meme in the same way
that you could copy a gene and
when I write a book I am
replicating my inner memes and
sending out thousands of copies
somewhat analogous to a
virus and so inside Society
these memes are
competing that's what that's
what Buchanan means when he
about cultural War war it's the
mean in war that he's talking
shall we be white Christian
upright wrecked tooten has human
beings or Shall We be dope
smoking homoerotic no no no no
these are
all memes and as you said very
well they
compete and the human world is
an environment in which these
compete and hopefully over time
there is some
kind of maximization of
something I don't want to say
although casually people speak
of progress like we're supposed
to believe that Heidegger
is somehow has a deeper insight
into reality reality than
I don't know I wouldn't say
Plato that I don't think there's
been progress there
but who who what was a bad
example the Psychedelic
meme is a perfect example I mean
that's a very strong coherent
definable meme
it's been furiously suppressed
but continues to survive it's a
healthy meme it's able to infect
infect rapidly and
through populations and somehow
they accrue some benefit to it
and and so it's preserved don't
know how we got off on
this anybody else anything else
we still haven't really gotten
to what I plan to talk about
this morning and we're almost
done that's a good
sign well it was basically just
to make sure
you're fully up to speed on the
Psychedelic options available no
pun intended for example if you
a problem with the illegality of
some of these substances then
Alpha Salva Noreen or Salvia
divinorum is is a new plan
a new Compound on the scene not
scheduled not
illegal perfectly okay to grow
possess advocate give people so
and so on and and quite radical
dislocation of the senses in
Rambo's phrase occurs
with this it also has some
interesting technical aspects
to it the most impressive being
it's active at the one milligram
M level a thousand micrograms of
this stuff and it's smoked
so this is a 1 milligram
psychedelic that knocks the pins
out from under you pretty
dramatically for about
45 minutes the leaf can be
chewed the plant can be grown as
a house
plant so forth and so on so
that's one
option that's available the
other thing you might salvia
if you just want to take the
leaf get some big leaves and
there's some controversy
about how much you need or
whether a lot is more than a
but anyway I took 35 grams so
and but it was a huge
mouthful I must say so try 20
grams and way it
remove the
mid vain so it loses volume roll
it up into a package and shove
it in your mouth and lie down in
and slowly squeeze and chew it
in order to
expel this juice into your mouth
and lie still
and after about 15 or 20 minutes
you'll see
what's called streaming Violet
Blobs of light light slide
past your eyes you see this
after orgasm sometimes and you
see it
in anticipation of psychedelics
often so that will happen and
about three minutes after that
it becomes dramatically
and quite bizarre
I mean on a par with DMT these
stretching sucking liquid
and very bright the
hallucinations and interesting
interesting to me I I've never
had this with any other compound
I was sitting in darkness in a
house with a big pyramidal
Skylight and the moonlight
shining in the perfect
circumstance for hallucinating
with eyes open
sharp edges against Darkness
eyes open there was absolutely
nothing going on I would close
my eyes and it was as dramatic
as turning on a light it was
that quick there was no
Asian was just I would close my
eyes and here would be these
slowly undulating
three-dimensional tunnels and
recessional surfaces
and stuff so I find it quite
and then to the chemist it's
extremely fascinating because
it's in a class of
compounds unknown to contain
psychoactive compounds
well now they're going back into
it and with with
liquid CO2 chromatography very
cold solvent chromatography
which is very precise
and non-destructive they're
finding a whole family of
these Salva Noreen compounds and
what this will lead to
in terms of psychedelics
treatments for mental illness
who knows you know it's amazing
that 30 years 40 years into the
Psychedelic revolution
Lucien we would discover not a
new compound Sasha does that
three times
a week but a new family a new
family with psychoactivity that
that is that's a new continent
in the world of
neuropsychopharmacology and then
the other
thing is that people are doing
that is very shamanic and
challenging and good thing to do
is you probably all know
oh Ayahuasca this South American
combinatory thing
where a monoamine oxidase
inhibitor banisteriopsis
caapi is combined with a source
of tryptamine DMT usually
psychotria viridis and because
of the Mao inhibition in the gut
the tryptamine which would
normally be destroyed at that
point passes through into the
bloodstream bloodstream and then
this is the blood-brain barrier
so you can make DMT orally
active if you
complex it with an MAO inhibitor
well whole bunch of people have
realized that in every in most
environments in the world
there are tryptamine sources and
so if you could combine them
with an MAO inhibitor you could
create local variants
on Amazonian Ayahuasca and they
call this farm away
mosca or Anna wasc meaning
analog ayahuasca and what people
are doing and
is they're using pergamon
harmala as the MAO
inhibitor the seeds of pergamon
harmala these are little black
seeds and you can get them
from Seed companies or you can
get them at a rainy and markets
they call it her Mal her mall
and it's
it's sold in Iran to be
thrown on hot charcoal to
fumigate rooms and this is just
a traditional use of it it kills
fleas it's a very nice smelling
thing and it kind of an incense
if you take two grams of these
little black seeds and grind
them down they that will inhibit
your Mao very effectively and
any DMT containing plant that
you orally ingest will become
active and it turns out that DMT
is very very common in nature
it's the commonest of all
how a sentence in nature it
occurs in numerous grasses in
leguminous trees it occurs in
the rubiaceae it occurs in the
merest Casey on and on huge
families implicating the Stephen
occurs in certain species of
ish it occurs in human
metabolism this is interesting a
schedule 1 drug that you are
carrying around in your body
every man woman and child on
this planet kind of the ultimate
catch 22 everybody is breaking
the law
you must have realized that
anyway so
these things can be complex
together now some of the DMT
sources that you might want to
be aware of our phalaris
phalaris grasses
has these are prairie grasses
and some of these strings are
stiff red turkey is a is a
strain of phalaris arindam a
seed that is pretty pretty
potent there's a
plant called Des mantha sell
annoyances the Illinois bundle
which apparently was not used by
the North American Indians it's
only been about four years that
it has been discovered that the
root bark of this plant is
contains DMT and
wild Crafters are now collecting
it and you can buy that plant
if you go to Mexico there's a
sold in Mexican pharmacies
called tip Escalade pay which is
root bark of mimosa hostel has
the same plant implicated
in Brazil in a cult Cole of a
drug called
called vino de
a Jeremiah Jeremiah that that is
a very mysterious and not well
understood DMT preparation taken
apparently without an MAO
inhibitor or the MAO inhibitor
must also
be present in the single plant
from which its prepared
other sources of DMT lespedeza
by color that's a
clover like ground cover cover
those are probably the main one
so people are
experimenting with these things
and making Farm Alaska and in
some cases getting
off I mean there's a lot of
clenched guts and
you know hanging over the
porcelain Bowl in this line of
research but if you hit it
right you'd be very gratified
yellow that's the great thing
about having
an underground you get human
data that you could never get
get in a situation
action of government licensing
because people are willing to
take chances I have I had a real
bummer one time I took half a
dose of mushrooms and half a
dose of ayahuasca and
it had me praying for Mercy it
was not like anything I've ever
I've seen some weird territory
but what this was
was a parent as I analyzed it
later what must have been
happening I short term memory
simply was not
transcripting and so I was
sitting there Stone Out of My
Mind and then this
thought would come something's
wrong something's wrong
so then I would search through
pulse heartbeat food
nothing's wrong say oh nothing's
wrong okay okay and go back to
the trip
15 seconds later something's
wrong wrong nothing's wrong
and it got luthier and Lou peer
into and I had
remembered that amazing scene in
2001 where the guy is outside
the ship
and he says open the pod door
Hal and he says
I can't do that Dave and I had
this image
of the molecular Machinery
jammed I could almost see it I
could see the
molecule locked in the in the
synaptic receptors Dirk left and
it was like and I was it was
toward panic and I finally I
just I somehow got hold of
myself and I had a
picture which I'm sure you've
all had this picture of myself
and a locked
Ward somewhere just they check
in once every 36 hours and
washed down the Walls it's and
then I so I just said I'm just
going to sit here until it
leaves and I did and after
about an hour of real hell it
you could just almost feel
it click and begin to drift out
of the receptor and then the
chemical the pharmacokinetic
Dynamics of the think I said oh
we're going to live to
tell the tale apparently yeah
yeah there is
a wildflower
Woody stem
Greenleaf sort of a stage ring
with a stem of little purple
flowers I'm sure some of you
must know what it is
they also come occasionally and
yellow when I walk through a
field of those I smell BMP I
know this being p is there
somewhere but I have no idea
I'm sure you're right I mean I a
there's a yellow
flowering tropical Bahamian in a
bot Garden near
where I live in Hawaii and the
smell is it just rivets you when
you walk by
and many times I've been in the
Amazon like walking along a
in the late afternoon and
suddenly it will just hit you
it's just and and strangely
enough smell is an incredibly
imprecise sense standing in a
smelling a strange smell and
asking the question what what
makes this
there are thousands of sources
you know you look around you
no idea but but yeah I think it
occurs in as
as a volatile and flowers as
some kind of an attractant it it
a sweet Sharp in Dalek smell
that's very piercing piercing
Syrian Ruiz pajama normal that
plant I mentioned as the
source of an MAO inhibitor if
you're interested in making
these doing experiments
becoming a shaman / Alchemist
and experimenting with making
your own Pharma Wasco get
Jonathan oughts book called
analogs I think they have some
copies here and he describes his
self experiments and
and it's a little book very
useful it's very satisfying I
might say too
to make your own stuff I mean I
wrote a book with my brother
years ago called psilocybin the
magic mushroom Growers guide
it is really a wonderful
experience I mean I
don't want to advocated
absolutely because you could be
dragged away
to the can for years there's
that little
little detail absent that the
way you experience the organism
when you grow it
is incredible because you don't
you take a
$25 sack of rye a human food
that's all it is
you buy it at the organic
grocery it's a human food you
take it home
you have this snowy white
mycelium it's as pure it's
a symbol of purity purity its
whiteness – and it will convert
twelve percent dry weight into
town on a Cottle the
Flesh of the Gods you know the
doorway into the mysterium and
so it's and it gets you out of
the cycle of criminal
syndicalism that inevitably
accrues to fancy
dope-dealing you have produced
it you know every stage
of its unfoldment
unfoldment and you have strong
relationship with it the other
thing is growing mushrooms
teaches all kinds of
Virtues which
serve you very well while
tripping virtues like constancy
attention to detail
patience so forth and so on
so if you're wondering if you
should take mushrooms and
you really in a dilemma about it
it grow them if you can grow
them you can take them I mean
that is the certain entry into
it and of course there's a
certain mystical faith that we
who grow
our somehow more deeply in the
service of this thing than
those who simply trip that's
probably but if
it keeps us at the knife and the
well when you see a large
mushroom project go into
fruiting it's awesome
it's awesome the power of this
thing what a Workhorse this
organism is
this thing is it's so efficient
I mean imagine
12 percent conversion of Rye to
psilocybin to put that in
that $25 bag of rye becomes
$35,000 six weeks later
at current market market prices
I mean not to bring the mundane
in here but there's nothing
wrong with
feeding your children either and
staying off welfare and so forth
and so on
did you want to say something
you can did you want anything no
this will be a hard swallow
for all of us because the great
faith of our culture is the
paranoia is never inappropriate
none none none ever
I don't know what that means I'm
paranoid enough to assume it
must mean
I work for them how else could
that be
possible the other possibility
is that they are even stupider
than we suppose I mean I've used
to say you know I just use big
that's all that they don't clock
that it never appears
on their screen another
possibility which which should
is humbling to all of us is
that this isn't worth bothering
you know
some freewheeling Irish artist
and his
docile flock who cares you know
I sort of
have the idea that there's
something called there's
something called the five
rule and and it's that you can
believe anything
Advocate anything practice
anything thing and as long as
you don't gain
adherence of greater than 5% of
the population you do not become
budgetary item for repression
unless you start guessing subway
stations that are murdering
there's something and then of
course you have to be
dealt with but it is effective
no it's just you know they'll be
able to do something and they
lots of Prozac admissions from
that's interesting well Prozac
is a very
peculiar drug in the sense that
it never seems to work the same
way twice
I'm not sure it I think it I
think timing is very important
with Prozac I really think
Prozac hasn't been understood
it's being used
to treat depression I think what
it is is it's the Magic
Bullet for for
what is it called seasonal light
deficit syndrome I just think we
are not supposed to be living
this far
north and that every year we go
through a culturally
manage depression called winter
or holidays
and people say you know why do I
feel like well and there are a
million reasons
but the real reason is because
you're not in the tropics dude
and and I I took pride
sack in the past and the feeling
when everything was stripped
away and said you know what is
feeling that this drug gives me
it's the feeling that it's
summertime it is your body tells
you that it's the good old
summertime and you know your
body likes being
told that I think it's terrible
I live in Hawaii and so I'm very
aware every
Ember the media of course has a
totally mainland cast and so
every September you say
the media starts talking about
how well summer is over now
we're all going back to school
and the you know the sports are
changing and everything is
changing and you can just feel
in the toe aha they're fixing
them all over there they're
getting them ready for another
winter and I just
Channel surf we don't need
to be hyped about how well it's
another winter coming so I think
a lot of people are depressed in
the wintertime and Prozac and of
course it's targeting serotonin
reuptake and serotonin this is
not are serotonin has
a complex light mediated
chemistry in the pineal this is
all about light strangely enough
this serotonin deep peniel
hydroxy tryptamine chemistry
melanin which gives you your
is a further breakdown product
of melatonin which is a
conversion from serotonin to
melatonin that goes on in the
mediated by a harm mean like
enzyme called a dinner
Bloomer otro pain by the
physiologist but called by the
chemists six
methoxy tetrahydroharmine Lon
and there is actually a part of
optic pathway that that breaks
and Carries physical light into
the center of your brain in
order to drive this pineal
that's why light and depression
are so dramatically linked I
mean there's actually a lot
light actually gets into your
pineal gland and there mediate
certain chemical processes well
the morning has fled as they
always do enjoy your afternoon
we'll be back here at 4:00 and
if you don't like the way this
is going
come armed with questions and
agendas thank you you
anybody wants to talk about the
so I hope you're enjoying
and Sullen and making good use
of your time one way or another
this evening we'll talk about
the time wave
I see the computer is in the
room so assuming we can get it
up and running
we'll talk about that before I
get started
this afternoon I just I want to
give you my URL url so that
you can find the website the the
is really my substitute for
and I'm trying to make it more
interesting than I am by far
and I've only been added
a year but it's already
up over 15 megabytes and growing
and the idea is that if I have
some enthusiasm I put put it on
the web
and then even though my
interests May wander elsewhere
and I no longer
care about reform in the
Seychelles or
something else it's there in its
pristine form
spellcheck to Illustrated hair
combed that's the way we want to
be seen
so and there are many many
pointers to everything from
developments in AI
to pharmacology to nasty
pictures because it's a huge
website so
if some part of what is touched
on here physics mathematics
chemistry sociology you want to
follow up
go to the website and to there
will be a button there
for you so just take one of
these and hand him around
and that'll probably do it for
the whole group y'all understand
what a URL is is
exactly but at least you know
it's it's the address as it
were of the website on the
internet on the world wide web
because you imagine people who
write books reside in some
Seventh Heaven
unaccessible by normal human
being too much stuff to buy
a question about your writing is
great great stuff
yeah well it's nice to get
questions questions to put the
greatness of writers in
perspective I'll tell you a
story about the last time
I dealt with my publisher at
Bantam in New York
sitting across from those people
above the 50th floor how I come
off to them is well now let's
see mr.
McKenna we have current sales
figures in front of us you're
kind of a
60,000 copy kind of guy aren't
aren't you
frankly mr. McKenna around here
that really Butters no bread
we're interested in the
million plus seller we can carry
people like you of course given
that we have substantial
successes in other fields
but and on and on like that to
which I replied so I guess
you're not taking me to dinner
at Elaine's which was true
not even t well is there
out of this morning that anybody
wants to take up
it just kind of spark something
in me
do you have a connection with
the data Realms and nature
is that something that comes up
for you in this work
well I don't know is a
self-transforming elf machine
the Deva this is such a phrase
that has been associated
associated with me for many many
years I I encounter
elf machines which are creatures
entities perhaps although
they're not made out of matter
they're made out of
nearly as I can figure it out
they're made out of syntax
driving light
but if what your question
addresses is the issue of
entities on the other side
there are definitely entities on
the other side
for me and
there seemed to be such for many
many other people I'm not in any
by any standard sensitive
so if I get get entities
then they are substantial and
capable of Defending themselves
it's one of the most challenging
parts of the whole
landscape because most people
can accept the idea of
disordered sensory input
recovery of
traumatic memory material so
forth and so on but what are we
to do with an
elf you know that becomes a
little harder to contextualize
in psychoanalytic theory
although young did a good job
when he said autonomous elements
can escape from
of a psyches control and present
themselves as independent
entities I'm not sure he's
ever seen a self-transforming
elf machine
machine are those David David
Camm titties do you
think yeah I don't have any
myself I've more familiar with
you have that experience even if
you're not having it when you're
not oh it's the
defining characteristic of the
true DMP
Flash I mean it is not subtle
it's these things mob you
like badly trained Rottweilers
they come bounding forward
by the dozens by the hundreds
they jump into your body they
jump out of your body they and I
you know I mean it maps to some
degree degree over
the archetype of the little
people the Leprechaun the PHA
and being Irish and being Union
I'm willing to entertain you
know maybe I have a special
relationship to this stuff but
then in the Amazon
the people using DMT that I
studied in the early 70s the
reason they did it they said was
to try to speak with the little
people what puzzles me about my
contacts with these beings is it
conforms to let's say the Irish
they are small they live under
Hills or when
you're with them you have a
sense that you are somehow
Underground they
are full of merriment almost to
manic and frightening level it's
sort of like a Bugs Bunny
cartoon gone berserk
they are are friendly
play rough in other words it's a
land of explosions and falling
Anvil zits it's like a
roadrunner cartoon or something
the overwhelming feeling is
is love but I spell it l UV to
distinguish it from the
ordinary kind because it's just
this kind of crazy childish
affection and they're delighted
to have
me in their presence well now
that all sort of corresponds
with the Irish model or with
Worldwide folklore of little
creatures little people in the
the woods
what's happening that is not
mappable on to Fairyland or
leprechauns or finned horny and
beings or anything like that or
anything else I've ever heard
of is that these entities have
an agenda and
it's a very curious agenda they
they use
a language which you see you
don't you it is
made out of sound in other words
it's it is sound
but you see it in that state and
the entire
point of the encounter from
there perspective
seems to be to teach you to do
this they
want you to transform your
language they want you to speak
L Fish and you know what
if you've never done DMT and you
just smoked it and your 30
seconds into
this experience and it's in this
is what it's come down to you
wonder what to make of it I've
thought about this for years and
years and years and I don't know
why there should be an invisible
syntactical intelligence giving
language lessons lessons in
hyperspace space but that that
certainly consistently seems to
be what is happening I've
thought a lot about
language as a result of that and
several things about it first of
all all it is the most
remarkable thing
we do
I think and we talked a little
bit this morning about
epigenetics behaviors Chomsky
Chomsky showed that
language the Deep structure of
language is under genetic
but the the that's like the
Assembly Language level local
of language are epigenetic and
it seems to me that language is
some kind of enterprise of human
beings that is not finished that
we have
we have now left the grunts and
the digs of the elbow somewhat
in the
dust but but the most articulate
pronounced and projected English
or French or German or Chinese
is still a poor carrier of our
intent a very limited bandwidth
for the intense
compression of data that we are
trying to put across to each
other and
it occurs to me from studying
mcluhan McLuhan and
our people that the ratios of
the senses
the ratio between the eye and
the ear and so forth this also
is not
genetically fixed there are ear
cultures and there are I
cultures print cultures and
electronic cultures so
it may be that that our
and our completion lies in the
Perfection and completion of the
word again this curious theme of
the word and
its effort to concretize itself
a language that you can see
is far less ambiguous than a
language that you here if I read
the paragraph of proust
then we could spend the rest of
the afternoon discussing what
mean me but if we look at a
piece of sculpture by Henry
we can discuss what did he mean
but at a certain level there is
a kind of shared bedrock that
isn't in the proust Passage
we each stop at a
different level with the textual
passage with the
three-dimensional object we all
sort of start from the same
place and then work out our
interpretations you know is it a
nude is it an animal Mille is it
bronze is it would is it
poignant is it
comical so forth and so on so
this is
you know not a very scientific
part of the rap because it's
very hard to
convince people that there are
non-human intelligences this
side of knebel
canoe be and when you tell them
that these non-human
intelligences are exist accessed
through the diminutive mushrooms
growing on their
Lon they just write you off as a
squirrel but this question of
the nonhuman intelligence
intelligences is very very
much on the agenda all shamans
in all times and places have
have claimed this and the thing
that so pleases me about DMT is
you know a lot of people will
not take
a psychedelic like LSD or
psilocybin or or something
because it it lasts hours and
inevitably a thing lasting that
long you're going to end up
dealing with your stuff your
anxiety your fear your this and
that a lot of people don't care
for that sort of thing whether
that's good or bad is
another issue with DMT it lasts
four minutes and so how how lost
in an examination of
childhood trauma can you get in
four minutes especially when
have hundreds of elves tugging
at your coat sleeves so it's
it's really an
incredibly powerful tool you
know we have the UFO people
there are non-human
intelligences but but they have
no method to reliable method of
contact that works for a skeptic
the great thing about
DMT is it doesn't require belief
belief a quality I
mentioned last night as
belonging to the truth the truth
requires no
belief it is the truth I'm sure
they're probably
people listening to my words at
this moment who have encountered
entities this it to my mind is
the great and chilling mystery
in the
center of the psychedelics and
once you've encountered these
things you have to take them
seriously seriously
to the point of view have to
where do they fit into the great
order of being what are these
things How can there be a
not made of matter in other
words how can they
be intelligent and
coherent but have no fixed body
outline are they they is the
universe in fact populated by
non-human non-material
intelligences that we somehow
contact using
drugs mean that's one
possibility possibility
that's the question yes where
are they when you're not there
is it an ongoing
thing are they is something
going on on this planet are
these the controllers are you
getting into a back channel that
you're not weren't cleared for
or and this is to my mind the
most chilling and appalling and
exhilarating possibility of all
you go back over the shamanism
thing you say you know you
shamans now where is this all
coming from they will tell you
it comes from man's well that's
a cheerful and fairly sanitized
concept but when you deconstruct
it and sisters are dead people
what is actually being
suggested there is that there is
a kind of ecology of Souls
1 energy threshold over over
that is co-present with this
world well strangely enough
that's what the Irish myth
of the Faye says says these are
dead people
these are souls that linger in
our environment and this is what
look like again folklore is only
guide but if what we are
dabbling with if what lies at
the end of the road
of shamanism is the dissolution
of the the boundary between
in life and death itself then
the million year in tuition that
this was a
path worth following will be
dramatically Vindicated and one
of the reasons I've preached DMT
so furiously
is I just wanted a larger body
of people to take it so that we
can compare
data we need to understand you
know how is this
possible it raises a whole
whole host host of questions one
is not only how is this possible
but then given that is this
how has it been kept secret how
millions of people go to the
Grave raised children hold
jobs so forth and so on go to
the Grave and the news of a
doorway standing that a gape
hasn't penetrated mean most
believe believe they're
listened in this world and that
the only hope is Maybe 15 years
at the ashram and hideous acts
of self-abnegation and control
and so forth and so on and
actually the boundary between us
and then
unspeakably bizarre world it's
30 seconds
at any time as long as you have
DMT available to smoke that's
appalling to me
I mean it means we don't don't
know nothing yeah we talked
about trying to map your
experiences onto the myths
what if it's possible that you
could look at the myths for
information of magic that is
we've no longer masters of this
doorway we're trying to
ReDiscover Mastery that's been
held for thousands of years
maybe there's something we can
find in the midst the tell us a
behavior or a mode of being in
that state though be useful for
instance caching leprechaun and
getting the pot of gold and this
some kind of game we can play
with them that yield some value
yeah well
well the sickle myth about
leprechauns is that they want to
keep you if they catch you
they are a you mess with them
they'll hold you and then you
have to bargain your way out and
the bargain is always the
solution of a riddle
notice that What's Happening
Here is it's all about
linguistic prowess
it's all about poetic skill it's
all about language ability only
the eloquent only the clever
only those who are masters
of riddled re and pun are
acceptable to these entities
apparently that's what they
value why
I guess because they're made of
so and and they themselves have
when I try to describe to people
what they are
or what they look like various
things can be said they're like
self dribbling jeweled jeweled
in other words they don't have
faces or anything not the little
yellow leather
Jerkins and the Curve pointed
shoes not that dribbling self
self dribbling jeweled
basketballs and they use the
too make objects that's what
this language
how this language is different
from ordinary English English we
can make make meaning the DMT
language makes objects
it's like a higher dimensional
language and so these things
forward with the complete
purpose of delighting you
and they reach into the air
into their bodies in some into
some nearby invisible
Dimension and they pull out out
what I would call words ponds
hallucinations things which
managed to be all those things
simultaneously and they
say look at this and it's purely
designed to Dazzle and astound
and then a colleague will elbow
little guy aside and say no look
at this and they're all in front
of you
chirping clamoring and these
objects objects that they make
themselves to speak and float
away and reproduce and
your you know you've arrived 30
seconds ago you were sitting in
a room with your grubby
friends somewhere pursuing
spiritual understanding now this
is going on and it's very hard
to not be horrified that means
cognitive dissonance the neck
snapping switch of
dimensions and then after about
three four five five minutes it
retracts it loses its
vitality and it begins to pull
away from you
almost like a boat pulling away
from a dock and in fact I had
one trip where
metaphorically not having hands
they all turned and waved
and said deja vu deja vu
which is of course the Absurd
now people can say all kinds of
things they can say well this is
just the autonomous
sub structures of the psyche
manifesting themselves but
sounds to me like a lawyer's
explanation yeah in light of
that allow me to extend the
skeptical line just just a bit
further your description of the
the event is it common to
who has participated to your
knowledge that's a represent 10%
50% 75%
are they equal in description do
they vary is this unique to
your description all good
it's hard to smoked DMT
especially if you're not a
it's harsh some people don't get
enough I would say of
the people
people who smoke as I think you
should smoke smoke 75% probably
report something like this
it's it's hard for people to
report I mean I've had
years and years of practice what
I've just told you about this is
incredibly crumpled compressed
edited version because what is
really happening in there is
unspeakably bizarre unspeakably
unspeakably bizarre
seems in fact to be its quality
that it is unspeakable and that
therefore in order to speak of
it you have to
make a leap of faith to this
higher order glossolalia
like language ayahuasca
Ayahuasca is a
slow release DMT if you
deconstruct it
pharmacologically so that
instead of it happening DMT
instead of it happening in four
minutes it happens over four
hours again at very high dose
Ayahuasca and a very high dose
of psilocybin these entities
begin to emerge when I take
psilocybin I sometime in the
second hour I pass through a
which I've learned to recognize
it's a Feeling and I call it elf
country and there are no elves
but there's a Feeling
and then I I call them you know
and following the directions of
a favorite episode of I
Love Lucy I call them by saying
come in little green men
come in little green men it's
simply a permitting
it's simply a nice invocation
and then they approach
like an air War e-band from a
distance you can hear the brass
and the drum and says they get
it's begins as a sound it's very
interesting it begins as a sound
and as it gets
louder there comes a point where
it becomes visible and then all
I can say is it gets
bigger just just like someone
marching toward you through
three dimensional space And So
it goes
from being a little phenomenon
on the horizon of your awareness
your there you're with them
you're playing the tuba your
marching along
it's happening and then they
sort of peel off and March away
and leave you in the same way
they came the archetype of this
phenomenon as far as I can tell
is the archetype of the circus
DMT is somehow the cosmic circus
and if you analyze
what the circus is it's a closed
environment of permitted
permitted outrageous
rolls the straight landscape
setting up in one town and then
another and then another and
it's a it's a
thing of wonder and Light and
Carney people are loose
they're not like you and me I
remember in the little town I
grew up in every
fourth of July the carnival
would come to town for Cherry
day and
we kids were told we couldn't
stay out out after during nine
o'clock when the carnival was in
town because there was just this
aura more
liquor was being consumed more
people were staying up late so
forth and so on and if you
the circus it has all the
elements of the DMT
thing I mean there's the center
ring the clowns and
Henry money in a wonderful essay
on psilocybin mushrooms called
the mushrooms of
language describes them as as
self perform
self performing acrobatic bits
of grammar is how he
describes them this is clearly
the same thing the
circus is a wonderful place for
children but it has
behind that a dark side I think
my own my own earliest
reminiscence of what I could
call erotic awareness
I must have been very very young
young under three because I was
held by people and I was taken
to a circus and there was a
woman there in a tiny g-string
costume spinning
hanging by her teeth up near the
center and it was all there
death and
Eros and risk and drama and you
know I got it
so there's all that in the
circus but then there's also
the Wiggy side you know the
the goat faced boy the thing in
the bottle that's all just off
the main event and and then the
circus packs up and leaves
and everything is the same
except there's some crumpled
paper blowing around in the
Wind and every little boy and
girl worth their salt wants to
run off and join the circus so
this is the archetype of
DMT a completely self-contained
pained transformative
World filled with all
kinds of implications
it's incredibly Mercurial it's
incredibly trickster like yes it
says though Hermes had divided
thousand sub Alton's all set
going at once well the blooming
and buzzing confusion which the
infant experiences is the same
world we're looking at right now
except that the infant has no
language for it now
the interesting thing about the
DMT thing is you have no
language for it that's
interesting interesting point
number one interesting point
number two somebody
arrives on the scene eager to
provide language that suggests
suggestive so it seems like what
they're saying is you know we've
stamped your passport your over
the Border but no one here
speaks English
so if you want to make yourself
please pick up the local lingo
Johnny pronto and in fact we've
assigned a team teaching group
feeling of the DMT thing in this
is why why I entertain the
possibility that
might be an anticipation of
death death
what happens when you smoked DMT
is there's an initial kind of
handshaking confusion like when
two computers meet and exchange
protocols it there's a 30 second
period where everything sort of
gets sorted out and this thing
forms like a
mandalas I call it the
chrysanthemum and it's a
Yellow Floral circular Dalek
thing if you have not taken
enough it is a kind of like a
kind of a rubberized
membrane or something if you
haven't taken enough you'll hit
it and bounce off
and have this really ambiguous
experience which is pretty
horrible actually just kind of
confusion which slowly goes away
but if you've taken
enough and the key to taking
enough and here comes a piece of
practical advice
that may be worth more than the
workshop the way to get off on
DMT is after you feel completely
peculiar you have to
do one more enormous hit this is
where courage comes in most
people they take it and they say
it's working this stuff feels
really weird it's really working
say do one more hit and they say
no no
it's working say no do one more
hint so then you do
or we say you do you you
that membrane and you go through
a series of like to me it's like
a ramp but it's like a series of
dices systolic compressions that
push me forward birth canal
analogy obviously and then I
break into
the elf Dome or the hive as I
call it and
certain intuitions that company
this without any rationale
and one is I'm I'm underground
and this
place is warm it's domed it's
reasonably well lit but there's
weight above my head I'm far
under the Earth somehow
and fairies as we all know live
under Hills so then I'm there
and the Elves and the elf
machines and the
language lesson are proceeding
but if I can stabilize and calm
my hysteria so that I can
in some kind of
objectivity I notice that really
the place I break into is
somebody very odd someone
very strange it's their idea of
reassuring environment for a
human being somebody who doesn't
very much about human beings but
who's really trying hard
built this terrarium terrarium
of arrival oh it has
the aura of
a maternity ward and I thought
you know these self-transforming
elf machines which I take so
seriously and try to make the
basis for a new ontology they
could be nothing more profound
than those plastic shapes that
we hang over a baby's bassinet
to teach it to coordinate space
and color in in other words what
those things
is their educational educational
they aren't the main clam
they're not in charge of the
hospital they're just something
dumped in your arrival playpen
to keep you happy while the
doctors make the observation and
the doctors never appear
and the whole thing is
pervaded with a wonderful
affection and zaniness it's
like the firming I have no no
alien abduction and any of that
I think that's pathology I think
it's media damaged people
manipulated by incredibly
unscrupulous new-age weirdos
there is no paranoia in this
it's entirely
positive although very very
weird the main thing it is
is hard to understand what's
this all for you know maybe you
thought you were going to
have an insight into your
relationship or resolve your
hatred of your father and
instead you come you're playing
Canasta with elves yeah
not very it's almost it's
always the same the emphasis is
on imitating the
language and so you don't sense
that there's a breakthrough
beyond that as you mentioned
passing through the membrane
getting into this
environment now you're in this
environment the
the exchange is taking your
dealing with it on a rudimentary
basis but you don't have any
perception that
there's an increase well the
problem is the brevity we very
quickly figured this out back in
the 60s you only get three
minutes it's like you know
visiting the American Museum of
Natural History
for three minutes so what we
really need was an extender
and that was why we went to the
Amazon in the first place this
was because
Ayahuasca from the
anthropological literature
sounded like it was the extender
in fact if you brew it stiff
enough enough
it is and you can get in there
for quite a while but it doesn't
become particularly more
rationally apprehend the Bible
I it's
it's a great mystery it's a
puzzle it
shouldn't exist it's the thing
which you don't believe exists
it it does
crazy idea idea
talking about Alex I'm thinking
about Santa Claus
and wine was bled the Red-Nosed
Reindeer and seeing in the dark
when using mushrooms mushrooms
so I you want me to extend
your list for you Santa Claus is
color is are red and white
Santa Claus is associated with
the spruce tree the spruce tree
the mycorrhizal Symbiote of the
Amanita the Amanita is
associated with magical flight
Santa Claus flies the Amanita is
associated with reindeer he
flies with the aid of
reindeer hee hee he makes gifts
for all the boys and girls in
world with the help of elves
elves in all traditions are are
what are called demon artificers
they make things that's what
else do whether it's shoes
or gold jewelry or they make
elves are artificers now what
else before I leave this theme
Santa Claus lives at the North
Pole the North Pole is the oxus
that yggdrasil the Magic World –
north-north shamanism grows at
the North Pole you pile all this
stuff up
and you say this is has got to
be an ancient memory of a
nominee to cult
although I've looked at Santa
Claus and I have never found a
source that would trace it back
further than the 10th century
but I maintain
you know Paleolithic probably
probably yeah
probability of finding the new
tryptamine everyone aware of
that extends the trip
so to speak get one thirty
minutes of time Around It Down
if they also
might be fun well Sasha in only
is now working on the
tryptamines and I asked him in
Mexico I said you know of all of
these tryptamines you have
elaborated which ones are the
most interesting I can't
remember the one he named
named but it was a synthetic and
he said it was extended there's
I don't know
if fear is the word but these
places are really strange and
and for most people three
minutes is quite enough and then
they need to attempt to
assimilate it part of the
problem is you can't
remember it I mean I've seen
people smoked DMT
give all the presentation of
intoxication come down
lie still
still you say what happened they
say nothing happened nothing at
all happened and furthermore
I think I won't be seeing too
much of you in the future in
I'm sure of it
I'm going to the gym before
going out to a sports activity
that one practice remembering
dreamed or try to experience the
weirdest sober things double
their would have liked most
stamina in the altered state
isn't a dream itself the the
images of language and
yet isn't there
a form of physical danger images
communicating something to you
through images aiming in a
normal dream you know there's a
citizens of the dream yes
depending upon you know
getting messages the same time
time well
as the dream world itself is
very bizarre II have recurrent
dreams a lot of my dreams are
recurrent and I'm had an
recently I was having a
recurrent dream and
it was basically I was in a
restaurant and this guy was
taking my order and as I looked
him I realized I had seen him
before in a dream and
I said I seen you before but but
a long long time and he said
yeah well I went to Alaska and
worked the salmon
boats for a while but now I'm
back it's like
so you know report that because
there they're always
interacting with the same power
sources are getting new ones but
there are
with the power source that's
right yeah
these are the keepers of the
patterns of life
and affect their the keepers of
the DNA or when something comes
into life a species
or species exits life but there
is a gathering up of the
patterns and assisted the life
itself we don't understand that
realm where that form but maybe
in this Altered States that we
get to go into and see what it's
like to gather up patterns
and in LA and said illustrate to
us what how the
patterns it's kind of like it's
a joyous thing you know
life in itself and that the
keepers would be something there
well imagine how astonishing it
be if we could confirm that
there was something Beyond Death
and that in fact it was not only
there was something but whatever
this something was was actually
looking back at us I was
raised Catholic and took a lot
of time to deconstruct this
this kind of stuff it did not
seem to me rationally
but actually that's in the light
of a fairly simple
rationalism now I look at nature
and everywhere what I see is
that nature conserves novelty
this is something you'll hear me
say many times in other
words once
nature achieves some structure
she is very reluctant to Let It
Go go
is an example life was achieved
moved more than a billion years
ago and through asteroid
cataclysm and polar reverse and
solar Dynamic it is
tenaciously tenaciously held on
so it may be
that this thing which we call
the personality the
self is actually of of to
Nature as a complex structure
and that it really does use use
body as a kind of work upon
which to build a higher
dimensional vehicle
of some sort otherwise it's very
hard to account for some of
going on it and this is one of
the most confounding ideas
that you could put forth in this
intellectual environment because
if there's one thing that
science has definitely put some
effort into it
it's exercising Spirit from
nature you know nature is a
soulless machine according to
science without purpose without
intent without will without
sentience it's Just
Happening it's mutation grinding
against Natural
Selection and that's all it is
according to them well well
from these shamanic Dimension
seems to be quite the
the contrary
by the way this is what I
intended to talk about this
afternoon I was not LED astray
my notion of this afternoon was
there were we would talk about
is the various characteristics
of novelty this morning we
about the methods then you know
the various characteristics of
novelty and DMT represents a
of novelty it is the
psychedelic it's the parody
dimension transiting experience
other descent seem to novelty
your own maturation your
individual experience of
Life hopefully if you're getting
older you're getting smarter
there's no excuse for anything
else how would it be if it
worked the other way although
for some people they seem to
manage that so life your life is
a descent
into now novelty as well leading
they all door all these novel
paths lead to the same door
postmortem history is another
descent into novelty and now
that dissent is proceeding at
such a pace that we can almost
feel ourselves moving into the
future I mean really we
require daily newspapers and
hourly updates to stay on
the the moving Steve what we
have set loose
so the individual journey
through life toward death the
cultural journey toward
Transcendence eschatology
apocalypse whatever it
is depending on the cultural
Style and then fractally
embedded in these larger forms
of novelty the Psychedelic
experience and in the spirit of
thoroughness the sexual
experience Ian switch against
the background of ordinary life
and activity definitely
represents a Nexus of novelty
and focus so all of these things
are de sensing to novelty and
I maintained on a still more
micro scale this period of time
time we're experiencing between
the end of February and
Midsummer a similar thing that
these patterns repeat and
sometimes they're extremely
dramatic I supposed death itself
being the most
dramatic example because
basically that's the trip from
which you do not return
and so forth you're aware that
Friday was the biggest single
change in financial markets in
the last
seven years no I flew
Thursday what happened first the
stock market place
a hundred eighty point bond
market head a disastrous
the market fell house on
or other names on Friday well
they must be white over the
weekend what's going to happen
Monday morning right
Monday well II I will will
not that the stock market is the
revelation of God's holy will
for mankind but notice
that what is interesting about
the stock market even if you
don't give a hoot about money
or capitalism is that it's an
effort to mass average
change it's an effort to give
you a very large scale picture
many many opinions brought into
final final action of some sort
so in a way
it is like the time way just to
further your
thought great article in The
Economist last week
International magazine
Finance the put a statistical
correlation now on all of the
world's markets becoming
interlock all the big
developed country markets are
not acting independently each
other as they used to the rubber
band force is becoming much
much tighter see if they would
study Dynamics this wouldn't
puzzle them at all that's a
well-known phenomenon in
Dynamics it's called
coupled oscillation the simplest
example being walk into a Swiss
cuckoo shop and all the cuckoo
clocks hanging on the wall the
pendulums are swinging in unison
that's not because the guy spend
setting the cuckoo clocks it's
because hanging them on the wall
they actually communicate their
vibrations to each other through
the wall and
after a few hours of running at
all kinds of different speeds
everything everything
falls into step coupled
oscillation women in dormitories
their menstruation all seem to
faze that's a coupled biological
oscillator and you get this in
many many systems and the
problem with it is in something
like a stock market situation is
it caught it then
tends to amplify small
and sent a very large
perturbations and the entire
system then tends to destabilize
well that's very interesting
next week could be major the way
the descent into
novelty will work is there's no
earth-shaking moment
for many months preceding the
25th of February we'll look at
tonight but for many months
preceding the 25th of February
things have become
more and more locked locked
conservative recidivist
whatever you want to call it
habitual traditional repetitious
cusp was the 25th of February
will but it doesn't you don't
feel the Earth
move the 26th is not greatly
different from the 25th the 27th
is slightly more different the
still slightly more but over the
next two months every day will
Mark a greater descent
descent into novelty and as I
say a worldwide economic
collapse would certainly
precipitate all
kinds of other changes and
there's plenty of instability in
the system
in the Chinese are playing with
the idea of world war or at
least their military are while
the political people are busy
dying once
you get the internationalist
rhetoric out of Marxism what you
have is
national socialism so it isn't
it's that are about to return to
power in Russia its national
socialism that's about to take
power in Russia
that's a terrifying possibility
then of course as I said the
unexpected which can be anything
from asteroid strike
to technical Innovation to Ebola
outbreak to political
assassination these things are
you know you can bet on the
unexpected it's the safest bet
the table yeah this thing for me
again going back to the
is in a sense the construct is
an abstraction we are not
reaching the
year 2000 in essence means means
nothing it is
the it is the energy that we
bring to it that in a sense
creates the atmosphere for the
events that take place well you
mean that in that the year 2000
no different from any other year
well except that if
you look at the way Society
frames its values one of the
largest value frames that we
have perhaps arguably the
is the calendar and so once you
a calendar then it's rhythms
become automatic and so
here we are facing the turn of a
thousand years which you're
right in and of
itself it's nothing but because
we are psychologically driven
by it it becomes something you
can hear these politicians if
they have no
rhetoric they just use the
calendar itself as a rhetorical
launching pad
and try to make that seem like
progress progress here's a
progressive program will turn
the millennium well we're going
to turn the
Millennium and whether it's
Progressive or not there will be
a lot
of Christian history as we
approach the
millennium because because it's
not only well it's their last
I mean I don't think anybody
believes that in 3000
Christianity will be making a
major push push this
their last chance to deliver and
they are very confident of the
delivery and so
there is a spreading hysteria
and of course we never Society
becomes incomprehensible people
assume that the end is near
and that seems to attend that
Loop spreading social confusion
millenarianism is inevitably
will not inevitably but largely
a phenomenon of the displaced
the the economically Lee
desperate and so
forth yeah what do we thinks
going to happen to be another
native this but moving around of
cargo cult to me me what's going
on you mean over the next ten
years or so
have you can I don't think so so
I think I think
Pat Buchanan is
discovering the world is even
more novel than he supposed you
know if if you've never won
you win that's novel but now
it's time to win again and it's
no longer an awful you're back
with the problem you had before
won the first time I
am very hopeful because as I
look at large scales of time I
see that what has
always been conserved is greater
richness of
opportunity greater freedom and
the way I Define
the Ultimate Omega point in of
novelty is it must be the place
where all things become possible
could it not be that because
that's what novel team means is
things being possible well when
all strange things are possible
you've met the novelty Maxima
will how could such a place
exists well it couldn't unless
you move into hyperspace
or if you invent time travel or
something like that then you
break the forward momentum of
linear history but that's
conceivable I mean
there's no reason intrinsically
why time travel is impossible
and time travel is simply a
romantic life for for
transformation of energy and
matter on all scales time travel
is faster than light travel
these things all become the same
thing thing and there is no
reason why these things can't be
you know the whole purpose of
data coordination whether it's
occurring in an amoeba or a mega
international corporation the
purpose of
data coordination is to predict
the future
always I mean that's what your
senses do for you you know
notice when you look over there
and decide to walk
over there you're also deciding
to walk over them in other words
you are coordinating data to
move through time
and space toward a future point
and the whole evolution of
life life
on one level can be seen as a
conquest of dimensions you know
the earliest forms of life were
fixed slimes of some sort and
motility motion became a
possibility but just basically
in a linear line unable to see
what is ahead of you
unable to see what you've just
left but groping roping well
then over time
and through
through and light-sensitive
chemicals get sequestered
on the surface of these
organisms and now they have a
gradient that tells them where
light is and they can go
toward or away from it they are
gaining dimensional
sophistication well from that
point to the evolution of human
it's basically Evolution works
on one theme the developing of
bodies bodies for the conquest
of three-dimensional space so
the fin turns into the leg and
so forth and so on and then
finally that's like fulfilled in
higher animals you know
the cheetah can run 70 miles an
hour and so forth and so on
these are the limits
of the of a flash are achieved
but but then
at that point mind begins to
flex its muscle and move
forward and and is language but
the ability to
recreate the past in the present
or to recreate the
hypothetical in the present in
other words in a world without
language experience
is always being lost you have it
and then it goes away if you can
talk about it around the
campfire and tell the stories
then the
past stays with you you and the
accompany you on your journey
Through Time well then if you
get still more
sophisticated and begin to write
now not only the great
myths the enduring triumphs and
tragedies of your
group can be kept but all the
minutiae the tax
records the tallies of crops
bought and sold the
king lists everything it and now
you know through the
transformation of media
electronically we essentially
the past
file in our world and the file
is more and more you know it
once when we once we have VR
much of the past will stay
around as an adjunct to the
on the other end of that
equation we have developed
incredibly powerful mathematical
tools for predicting and
data into the future it's
terribly terribly important
stock market is a good example I
mean we need to know how these
markets operate
in order to avoid social
confusion and breakdown of
social systems inventory Theory
is a
place where you know
need to know six weeks 10 weeks
out where you're going to be
if your warehousing a lot of
stuff you're losing
money if you have if you can
refine your predictive
understanding of how your Market
operates you can save a lot of
money you can save and make
money by predicting the future
this is not been lost on anybody
and so so there's a great deal
of Interest in doing this
well well if this is a a program
of research then
it's Holy Grail would obviously
be as complete a
prediction of the future as is
feasible and I think you know
the time wave and catastrophe
Theory and
complexity Theory and these
things are new techniques and
new styles of
trying to approach that that
ideal yeah
well that's a good question
I think I may have mentioned
this but it's worth discussing
novelty should never
occur without without its
accompanying it which is its
opposite which is habit in my
version of how the universe
works it's a struggle between
these two forces habit and
Novelty and in a period of
a million years there's a way to
draw the picture of the battle
and in
the last 10 minutes there's a
way to draw the picture of the
battle so what is habit habit
habit it is repetition of
activities already accomplished
repetition repetition
is habit tradition is habit
limited risk
taking is habit I think you get
the idea
novelty on the other hand is
high risk
new untried strange
unusual stands out out from the
surrounding environment and
surprises so against God's
intercession into history
Pat Buchanan's win in New
Hampshire may not appear to be
greatly novel but
that's not the correct scale of
comparison the correct scale of
comparison is was the
expectation that he would lose
lose you see
so how about a novelty occur in
the most Sublime and
mundane dimensions because there
are other
relative terms they're always
measured against their surround
so that you know if you're in
some incredibly constipated
ritual dominated society and you
so much as put a spot of
paint on your toenail social
social ripples go out
this it has to be explained
defended what is this mean who
does a challenge
it's it's a novel act against
the background of such
constipated expectations
on the other end there are
societies where full Body
Electric elective surgery won't
even get a ripple from your gang
when you show up at the coffee
house so that's an area where
you know the standards of
novelty and habit or different
over large large scales of time
time it seems very clear to me
that the story of our universe
is novelty is is winning
Novelties is winning it's a very
slow Battle of attrition
because habit is so reluctant to
give ground
and we'll take ground back but
over large scales of time
novelty is winning that's where
we come in to the picture that's
why there's life on this planet
that's why there's people on
this planet that's why there's
High technology
on this planet because novelty
is is winning
that's one point the other point
is it's winning faster and
faster it isn't simply
proceeding at the same pace
what happens in a ten-year
period now is
orders of magnitude more
connections being made
than were made in a 10 or
thousand or perhaps Millions
million year period at
times in the past and all time
time is is
the connections the events which
fill it in other words if you
think of a
million years in absolutely
space and ask how long what's it
like to experience a million
years in absolutely empty
space space
it passes in an instant because
nothing happened if nothing
happened then there was no
time you know time is defined by
the events which fill it if
there are
no events time collapses into
nothingness a
universe in which nothing
happens is a universe that has
no duration
you need to do ality to have
time yeah yeah
yeah it's an illusion of a lower
dimensional slice of of reality
is the direct dualism our
priority it's
given if that's what you mean by
off priori it's a real thing and
by that
we we can argue what that means
but it's a real thing in the
same way that space-time
time and space gravitation and
energy are really
things it's not a construct of
the human mind can I try my idea
of the reason for the
cataclysm that's
fast approaching or she'll or
extension of novelty let me
start at the beginning
one definition of enlightenment
definition one narrow definition
is the it's the the it's the
growing together
of the gap between desire and
and I think what we have managed
to accomplish with our culture
as we've produced a society that
arranging for filament and
desire with
technological systems performing
to their utmost
to pull that off so people are
becoming fulfilled on a
physical level they're becoming
enlightened enlightened
but there's no matching change
in how they feel about
themselves so
there's this horror coming over
there horizon of people
finding themselves with
everything they always wanted
feeling totally not right about
it it
I accept that to me
characterizes the neighborhood I
live in real well people are
going faster and faster
and faster with more and more
and more stuff and not feeling
good about it
if we get to the endpoint of
that process we come to a
place where people are intensely
frustrated because they've got
everything but nothing
that's right right to me that
feels like a change of state
well yeah somehow the it's a
problem because a meme has
gotten loose on this planet
that is the social equivalent of
cancer in my opinion
and it's what it is is its
capitalism capitalism does
not serve human beings it serves
itself in the Emily that cancer
does not serve a human being it
itself what I mean by this is
that it fetishizes objects
and it tries to tell you that
certain objects will make you
happy if you can possess them
well then you work very hard to
possess them but then you're not
happy at the same time it is
is raising these expectations in
the hearts and minds of millions
millions of people that it knows
it can't deliver to their you if
cut all the rainforests and dug
all the metals you couldn't
deliver the middle class
American lifestyle to the
population of
the planet and the effort to do
so would wreck the entire
system so so capitalism either
has to transform itself
from within within because
no human being or institution
can oppose it or there has to
come some force from
the outside which will break it
down I don't I don't know what
could be unless
it would be a revulsion over
what the cost of practicing
capitalism is in
other words if we could create
and this is a job for media the
media media has as
basically hoard itself to the
capitalist agenda and Knows No
Way Out the media
in the naive Arrow before all
this stuff was figured out was
assumed to educate and inform
the citizens so that rational
decisions could be made
that's not what it's about now
now it's to distort
manipulate delude and mislead
what is needed is a rediscovery
of inner wealth this is again
the Psychedelic thing the reason
people fetishize objects
is because they have no
accessible dimension of inner
they feel worthless without the
Ferrari and the
cuisine Art and whatever this
object is that they're into once
you take
psychedelics you discover the
you are are
he stuff compared to the inner
wealth of your own imagination
but unless you know that that
you will always want after that
stuff so my hope is and it seems
to accompany psychedelic use I
less interest in material
possessions not that people
dress in hair shirts and wander
the byways but I think people
take psychedelics make and lose
money in a considerably more
relaxed fashion than people who
don't yeah there's several
sources of such an Enlightenment
that is inner wealth versus
external law one of
them strong a lot of families
who lose a son or daughter or
nearly lose one ReDiscover what
their values are right it's like
dolphins very common one and
it's since it's a single moment
it's often recognized as the
sort they oftentimes people do
have that kind of alignment of
distortions hard to find its
graduate but
Delhi I mean someone can come
a full professorship and go wow
I see my
value is looking into them
before I'm quitting my job I've
had it with others you know and
it's like a deli and perhaps the
forces of losing all that your
work like this people losing
stock market and they jump out a
window or they go hey other
choices I didn't see before and
after like defend my castle
anymore well the two other
things are near death experience
that brings that forces you to
figure out what you really give
a hoot about and the other I
think a little pleasanter than
the near-death experience is
travel you know go go live in
for a year and then
see this looks to you it's not
for nothing that we call these
psychedelic experiences trips
the the only thing I know that
changes people the way
psychedelics do
is travel and I don't mean this
sanitized first class United
Airlines three-star hotel travel
I mean you know the real thing
down and dirty
live live like the people I'll
do if you can stand it I mean
it's a very very difficult
I've lived with Amazon tribes
and you know you're there and
you're having this experience
and you're thinking to yourself
everybody in my culture would
wish to be
with these people these are the
real original people now if they
stop throwing puppies in the
fire maybe we could sit down and
enjoy their company you know
it's not it's not easy it tests
values values how can you bring
a western my into a third world
third world nation where
there were many are fully
willing to trade what
Treasures they have four the
goods of capitalism how can
you say well psychedelics will
put you in touch with Pinot
that you don't need Coca-Cola I
had an experience in Thailand
actually actually uh probably we
up in the Burma where my stuff
Billy Hunter Shack and every
manner of endangered Beast was
changed for sale
and I was astounded at all these
carrots do the same for a dollar
and bought
one of these parrots you know
healthiest one set it free and
he looks at me like I'm crazy
and goes to the Village store to
buy cigarettes with how can you
how can we bring how can we stop
the bar
can can we bring psychedelics to
that or any other
yeah well I don't know yeah
know the absence of wealth ruins
the environment land in New
Delhi you can door opens I'm
here playing first thing get
overwhelmed with is the errors
on breathing because of the
the reason that a bit from that
monkey just because what people
used to cook with it work the
rest of it is because of of the
cheap auto what's the date so I
mean it's the absence of well
that makes the are unbelievable
yes I'm not advocating poverty
I'm advocating something
more like simplicity I like well
let me describe my lifestyle to
you so which sort of then is a
statement about what I'm
trying to do II live in Hawaii
up but terrible Road with no
telephone in but I have a
a wire Alice modem out and I
have an excellent Mac
and I don't make any I don't
believe in the distinction
between nature and
Technology I am happiest when I
am totally immersed in nature
with the best
technology available and most
things I care about are in
material I mean I have
books but they it's the
information in them that is is
the electricity is generated
from solar some
of the food is grown on site
more will be but
it's not like a back to the
movement or anything like that
it's very
casual it seems the natural way
to live one thing that
the internet to holds out for
many many people is
the end of the entire cycle
based on the concept of
culture and commuting most
people who
work in offices don't need to go
to the office now and the
momentum continues
to have commuting and so forth
but when these corporations
realize how much money they
could save by telling people to
stay home office culture is just
going to dissolve overnight well
something like 65 percent of all
automobile travel is is in the
root of moving to and from the
job that could
all be eliminated I think the
internet is
the physical analogue to the
psychedelics until the internet
a rose
it was very hard for me to see
how we
were going to get from here to
the Omega point now I have
no problem it's all in place I
mean the internet has to grow
Stir It has to the bandwidth has
to be expanded
the codes have to be simplified
the protocols have to be
simplified and everybody
has to be brought online when
that happens I think
think there will be a kind of
reorganization of society
because what we're living in in
this is a
mcluhan honest wrap what we're
living in is a linear print
created world it was created by
printheads they
couldn't help themselves they
thought they were normal human
beings but they were very
very dramatically distorted by
their relationship to typography
typography and they
I hated this kind of world well
now we're moving into the era of
electronic culture and all kinds
of phenomenon
associated with the old way of
doing things are going to
disappear for example a quality
of print culture was the
phenomenon called
Mass media mass media is
finished it doesn't make
any sense anymore mass media
is is one-to-many communication
munication and what the internet
offers is
any-to-any to any communication
you know we all have
contempt or I assume we do or
mild contempt for the
Tabloid newspapers that we see
when we check through the
grocery store
Elf or dwarf rapes none fleas in
UFO that kind of thing well but
now let's think about the New
York Times for a moment
the New York Times
Times is for what to be read by
millions of people people who
would want to read
something designed to be read by
millions of people the
very nature of the goal
indicates that there will be
very little there for you
only to the degree that you
share some
interests with all these other
minions of people and many of
these interests are
artificially created by the
media so other Notions that were
put in place by
by print print Did I mention
this last night about the
interchangeability of type
how I didn't okay type as you
know is interchangeable
manuscript is not that simple
notion of the interchangeability
of the subunits of a technology
permit to
incredible things in our world
the idea of the the citizen
the citizen and the idea of the
unique individual and also
industrial techniques of
manufacture the assembly line is
essentially where you build
things the way you print things
assemble the parts you assemble
the small parts and create
completed objects so so this
notion that stresses uniformity
and Co equality of subunits
creates the entire political and
social Ambiance of the
Mind now now something entirely
different is happening
the New media is nonlinear
it mm it is doesn't require
acquiescence in a model of
behavior that's why why Fringe
elements which were kept very
much at The
Fringe through the reign of
print have in the 20th century
broken out
and managed to set the agenda of
much of society so things
are things like surrealism jazz
ethnic consciousness
different styles of descent have
in the 20th century all gay a
great deal more prominence as
the print
culture gave way to the
electronic culture and in the
future I think
these enormous structures which
we were asked to participate in
are just going to fade away like
national governments I mean
basically we're going to live in
a world which has only two
levels the local local level
basically your watershed
and the planetary level and the
systems of
control that lying between those
two levels will be very thin and
an invisible a tremendous
leveling of
information takes place the
print game is a game of
privilege information confers
and if you have it you hold it
it the
tronic game is a game where all
information is equally
accessible and
shareable and it creates a
different and more egalitarian
information field and capitalism
contributes to
this to some degree I am not
entirely anti-capitalistic I
think it needs to be tamed but
but capitalism contributes to
this for
exam what I mean by that is
think of how how governments
it's deal with information
they classify everything top
secret and then they hold
hold it
and we'll what is the effect of
that it slows invention it's
slows novelty well how does
capitalism deal with new
information new technologies you
get it to Market as fast as you
possibly can in order to Ace the
competition in in the capitalist
set of rules if you have a
technology to keep it secret is
insane how will you make any
money if you keep it secret
must tell it so so capitalism
itself has become
a Force for novelty this is what
you know when people started
coming out of the Soviet Union
as it collapsed this is what
blew their minds completely
about the West Was the diversity
and abundance I
remember some Russians came to
me once in
a know five years ago or so when
the Soviet Union was collapsing
and and
and we I was driving them around
showing them the scene and I
pointed to
an A&P and I said you can get
any food you
want in there and the guy said
oh come on and I said
name a food you can get it in
there he said
tangerine like it was a knockout
punch no problem they got
Tangerine stacked waist-deep
deep and anything else you can
imagine so capitalism produces
this enormous abundance but
without very much ethical
concern for the process
by which it's done or the
consequences for the users and
the environment and business
growth especially in software or
I see large companies in the
business of purchasing
novelty than producing
but it's less and less companies
of R&D institutions within them
they let the Innovation
happen if he's still tiny
companies and they go back with
them that's because they don't
want those long-haired
dope-smoking weirdos actually
inside their corporate structure
you can hire them as consultants
because then you can can them at
will but but for God's sake
don't get them on the medical
plan yeah
we have some guys
yes well one of the amusing
things about the
computer Revolution and
capitalism and all that is that
technology has evolved so
quickly that the people running
capitalism from the top no
longer understand the tools that
are necessary
for it they have to pay guys
with ponytails and and
piercings to turn on the machine
every morning and that that must
very terrifying to them that
they didn't did the oil
wealth either but the guys who
dug the oil wells I don't think
carried an entirely different
analysis there's Society I mean
they were there were class
differences but these
long-haired people are
essentially you're trading with
the Enemy if you're a
corporation who uses these
people and every corporation
must use them
because they're at the smart
people they will use it in
Poland saying
is that Capital will move
wherever it can exploit
information and if now the
information resides there that's
where they'll go to exploit that
information for the continuing
process of the economic machine
so even though we may be looking
at something novel
ultimately when that source is
exhausted they'll move on on to
I really have to move on to to
maintain themselves well no
technology in history has ever
been put in place with any
clearer understanding of what
its implications would be that's
what we find out later
and and I think the internet
will turn out to be very toxic
for capitalism when
objects can be made of light
when a Ferrari costs as much as
as a
Buick because they're both made
out of the same material
all of this class structure
based on fetishization of
objects is
going to disappear
isn't it the pope activity and
after beginning the interactive
little late but not too late but
they've been late on delivery
because it can't get the staff
to build that they want to build
the can't find any mason workers
to put their highlights together
that's costing them billions and
defecating if you have to back
down well AT&T is going to set
up a system of satellites that
are going to give is
D and speed to every man woman
and child on this planet by
pointing straight up at the sky
avoiding all these mafias of
these local Funk companies so
the Curious Thing I think in
terms of the social implication
of the electronic age is the
possibility of almost a pure
form of democracy independent
debrief bureaucratic structure
that is the possibility that
people can arrive at consensus
unmanaged this is what's called
tribalism that we can remove all
these interpretive filters and
structures and methods the
representative the parliament
the election all of that can be
done away with and that we can
actually and they hate that was
very interesting in the last
campaign I don't know if you
picked up on it but but only
spoke for this you know he has
this idea of these electronic
town meetings well of course per
row represents a not mainstream
point of view from the point of
view of the Republicans and the
Democrats they both just
piled onto that they hate that
the idea of real democracy
is threatening to the
politicians of this country as
it is to the Chinese
leadership mean they do not want
the will of the people
to be expressed but I think as
we co here into
a single organism there will be
less and less need for these
18th century institutions that
we have put in place
and maintain with the power of
the gun yeah it has that
effective immediately New Media
is going to have on people could
one one would follow the law
model of what happened
to Europe when the church
stopped becoming the sole
interpreter of
of the Bible and the Bible King
James printed in that anybody
can read and interpret and many
people did and start a different
and that sort of cosmic
explosion of different ideas
different ways of looking at the
world the other would be
this is what a terrific Buddhist
magazine called tricycle
magazine and one of the things
for tripping about is it's not
that has a whole lot of
viewpoints to talk about all
sorts of different different
flavors of
Buddhism with equal respect
because there are actually do
this in America have critical
magazines for all these
different sects now if that were
to change tomorrow and there was
a different magazine for every
sect then inch magazine would
have a single Viewpoint the
other viewpoint could be
portrayed many but as seen as
kind of heresy and talked down
about and I could see that sort
of thing happening on the web
where or with the web like media
or people start pursuing ideas
that they're interested in and
they care about they may end up
digging themselves a niche of
Their Own preconceptions and our
own you know the prejudices that
they already have about
information and going to
information sources that support
that crop up things which may or
may not be valid
the other option is that they
could be exposed to so many
different types of information
from from the original sources
not filtered to a mass media
that they'll actually become
more informed about more
different points of view
I can tell right now it's
weights when you go or maybe
it's going to go in both
directions for the computer
can't keep the ignorant ignorant
because there's too much access
to the other knowledge only if
you only if you want it though
it's not like now today
if you turn on CNN you get not
only information you're urged to
get information information that
more Johnny in so you're
inevitably going to be
confronted with things that
mess with your group your
prejudices now the downside of
this is
that what's happening is CNN is
mapping was societal prejudices
of its market share
on the all of its audience and
because there are so few media
sources there are a few selected
branches of prejudice that
you're allowed to tap into but
whether the future's going to
break that up up or just me I
that they're going to be tighter
groups in smaller groups of
predispositions that are
reinforced I thought the choice
those that wish to insulate
themselves and only information
they want to see that supports
their worldview will insulate
themselves excellently and those
which wish to of just throw
themselves into the unknown
constantly will have already
available source yeah I think
we're already seeing this I mean
the v-chip is that what it's
called this thing that lets you
control what your kids can
access on the internet all this
concern about
about pornography
so forth and so on clearly some
people are going to take the
intern at Raw and love it and
other people are just going to
want the conference on cat
grooming and and so forth and so
on there's nothing we can do
about that I mean this
is not a new problem let me
recall to you that hundreds of
millions of people in the world
lead larval low awareness
lives not not I'm not talking
about the poor unwashed ooh I'm
talking about
people who watch TV 6 and 7
hours a day that's a
drug and those people have
chosen to check out of the
historical Adventure and just
live in this miasma of
pop culture and we can decry the
loss to them
of of awareness and so forth and
so on but on the other hand it's
it makes it
easier for the rest of us I
mean I don't want all those
people running around on the
freeway and standing in front of
me at the
grocery store and you know
better they should be home
watching you know whatever it
is these people watch and people
will make these kinds of choices
and you know it will become more
and more extreme I mean if you
want twenty four-hour-a-day
teledildonics pornography who's
to say you shouldn't have this
but what about how it
it will affect your performance
as a citizen I don't know I mean
it's just like mainlining heroin
or something else people have to
make choices but the fact that
they will sometimes make bad
choices is no
argument ever for limiting their
you know you have to come to
political bedrock with this Are
you a control freak or do you
believe in the
Dignity of human nature if you
trust Human Nature
then your politics politics
B1 one of always removing
control because controls the
Press is human nature if on the
other hand
you're freaked out about human
nature and you think that if we
don't have laws
everybody will turn to
cannibalism Sodom and cocaine
then of course you want
everybody has to be leaned on
and so forth and so on
but if you don't have faith in
human nature that's a pretty
existential situation
to be in because because we're
do you put your faith it's
possible that we fall into
I'll use your number five
percent situation where 95% are
looking for novelty and 5% will
produce it and
that the fiber said to enjoy
making all the only because they
want and find an arrow category
of people who will find it Well
that's sort of people say what
should be done or what should we
do besides take psychedelics
them I say you cannot Escape the
media you cannot
Escape the internet you
you cannot escape dilemma you
have two choices you can consume
or you can produce that's it
and the people who consume are
lost souls and we all
consume and in those moments
when we consume we are lost
souls we we need to produce and
what we produce is art
art is the greatest era of Art
in the history of the human race
is dawning right now if we
images and text from the heart
we will we will compete with
these very large Network
called capitalism communism so
forth and so on in a sense one
to think about the internet is
it's a 40 million Channel TV
hookup 14 million Channel 5.5
that well but however many many
websites there
now is what I'm thinking of and
and and so no one need feel
isolated and
isolation has traditionally been
at political tool for
people if you can make people
feel isolated you can make them
shut up so you know if someone
let's say is a communist
and lives in some Tiny Town in
North Dakota in the past
tendency I think I would be to
keep their mouths shut but since
they're getting 400 email
messages a day from fellow
Communists and being informed of
conferences going on constantly
and huge FTP sites
and all kinds of things then
they just say that's my
community and I'm willing to
talk about it they are no longer
isolated and this has empowered
all kinds of Fringe points of
view some you may approve of
some you
may not but I I approve of of
The Fringe in and
of itself and then I figure you
know the memes can sort
out through natural selection
but if a meme doesn't ever get
onto the
playing field where the
competition is happening then it
is not fairly dealt with and can
die without having its proper
opportunity to to impact we
articulate advantage of a bit of
the bleeding memes in their
ability to suppress the new
ongoing look at me good place
where I try to sort of oil
company today I have a difficult
time because the main players
would disadvantage me
handicapping right reverse
handicapping where the small
ones we have an advantage come
in worldwide Wide Web is it just
seems to be changing the nature
of gravity or at least away way
I thought that he's very
physical forces always
work and suddenly time which I
understand is relative is
getting speeded up barraged with
so much information from so many
different places and
it stops being a matter of
trying to be smart
bye assimilating all this
information and becomes more of
a the case
of trying to be smart by seeing
what I can leave alone when I
distance myself for what I can
find allowance because there's
there's so much of it and and
while I think we haven't quite
learned how to use it yet and
also it
isn't quite what it should be
yet it's maddening to try and
function on it at 14 for twenty
eight eight everybody needs is
or faster the people who use it
most successfully the way they
is usually they do it through
laptops and it's just always on
I mean what you need is 24 hour
and day ISDN connection it's
on and so
so as you think questions arise
and you set your info Bots going
your elves you send them into
the Matrix and they returned
with these bits of information
so as the day passes and your
internal dialogue precedes
you're constantly
having Messengers arrived with
data which clarifies your
of the situation so I think of
it what it will clearly
clearly become as it it's just
an adjunct to your mind and when
the laptop disappears in the
whole thing becomes a subdermal
implant or something then you'll
just say gee I wonder what the
gross national
product of Sri Lanka is this
year and then we say the gross
national product of Sri Lanka
this year was and you will be
provided with this
information I mean obviously
there have to be filters in a
certain level of sophistication
but never before in history
people been able to have a
dialogue in real time with their
own cultural database and the
quality of decision is directly
dependent upon the quality of
the information upon which the
decisions are based
and in the past good good
quality information is
very hard to come by the mass
media is for the peasants
the guys above the the 50th 'The
and guys it is as you know
they read special newsletters
receive feed from certain think
tanks they deal with an entirely
different kind of information
than you do privileged
information managerial
information leader information
well now that's all changing
sitting without telephone lines
in Hawaii
keyboard of my computer I have
better intelligence than
Stansfield Turner had when he
was director of the CIA
for Jimmy Carter and I'm Joe
you know
Earth citizen one so that shows
you how quickly the quality of
information is improving what
you do with this is
of course has always been an
dilemma dilemma the psychedelics
to my mind were a great
of the internet and probably
never would have been built had
there not been psychedelics even
though it was built by terminal
paranoids because you know it
was built as a command and
system for thermal war and they
were but the
Wonder of that was that they
built it so that it could not
be destroyed
not realizing that what that
meant was that they could not
destroy it you know it has no
central control there is no
board you bomb no plug you pull
so they built this
indestructible thing and now
it's loose
and growing and Unstoppable and
possibly leads to the form the
reformulation reformulation of
nature of humanity which would
be then an interesting process
thermonuclear war leads to an
paranoid response which leads to
the internet which leads to
I've always felt that atomic
weapons were an enormous
IQ booster for the human race
and when
you think about the fact that
the Trot Global tribe of
carnivorous monkeys monkeys have
possessed at thermal nuclear
delivery Systems for 50 years
and only twice were they ever
I think it must have sobered us
immeasurably because there were
many issues
in those years where had they're
not been thermonuclear
bombs there would have been War
and and so it became a kind
of inoculation against War
because it was so horrible and
it forced the human race
I wouldn't go so far as as to
say lat lot but it propelled us
at least into
adolescent awareness of our of
our dilemma dilemma
well it's dinnertime tonight
we'll do the time wave I doubt
revisit this particular area so
if you hated this it's over
thank you we're going to take a
sort of conceptual and
subject categorical leap here I
assume you all have some
familiarity with the each Aang
is that a reasonable assumption
the teaching is a Chinese
divinatory system of great great
64 ideograms called hexagrams
that are composed of broken
and Unbroken lines they are
arranged in a traditional
called the king wins sequence
the Divination is carried out
through a coin
toss operation or a sortilège
involving Euro stocks
I assume I'm not making
headlines with this news for
anybody okay
good so so the itching usually
translated as the book of
changes is in fact
a scientific texts in my opinion
a study of great sophistication
of the very subject we're
talking about this evening the
of time the nature of change and
in the same way that
Western science by fixating
through certain Greek
predilections on matter was able
to unravel
full a ton nuclear chemistry and
bile and molecular biology and
so forth these ancient people in
China pre Han
early Joe which we're talking
1500 BC
they weren't interested in
matter they were interested in
time and they brought to this
interest in time
at least as much energy and
sophistication as the research
teams that CERN in Switzerland
bring to probing the heart of
nucleus of the atom and they
learned things you know you
spend a millennium or two on a
given problem posing that
problem under all circumstances
and for many philosophical
points of view and
pharmaceutical pharmaceutical
logical farms eventually you
begin to get answers and I
believe that the eaching is a
kind of smashed up
piece of machinery that in its
present form
is but a shadow of
what it represents in the past
in terms of sophistication and
understanding for several
thousand years it has been
commented on and passed down
and served by people who were
not fully in touch with
precisely what it was
you know under the under the
guidance of the logos with the
help of psilocybin
and so forth and so on I think
I've made some progress with
reconstructing what this ancient
piece of machinery might have
looked like
and what kind of information
they might have been getting out
of it so now bear with me for
a minute
if you haven't been already as I
said the teaching is 64
hexagrams numbered one through
64 and
usually presented in a
traditional sequence called The
king when
sequence which is
old nobody knows where it came
from King Wen is a legendary
figure he supposedly got into
some political trouble
around 1350 BC and
they put him
in the can for a while and while
he was there he figured this out
he thought it up he built this
operating system and the
interesting thing about the king
sequence is that it is not in a
logical sequence
on the face of it when leibnitz
European philosopher got his
hands on the A ching his Jesuit
friends shipped him a copy in
the in the 17th century he
immediately organized it as a
binary number system and
rearrange the
hexagram and showed that it was
a binary number system and
lightness is sequence any hacker
knows instantly how to do it
from the first taxi
Graham on King when sequence is
not at all obvious obviously
under any set of rules and
the logos its promptings to me
it was interesting it was like a
koan you know a problem which a
master sets
a student which must be solved
before we can move on to deeper
water and the co on was you know
what are the ordering principles
of the king wins sequence
can you prove in fact that it is
the product of
intent or is it in fact simply a
that has become traditional over
thousands of years and there is
set of rules for generating the
king when sequence pretty
close Focus stuff you notice
we're not talking here about
planetary transformation Shannon
or human fusion with the
biosphere it's very academic
close focus analytical stuff so
I looked at the king wins
sequence and I was
intuitively lead is probably the
way to put it to look at what's
called the
first order of of different the
first order of difference
is a very simple concept it
simply means how many lines
as you go from one hexagram to
the next
simple right okay so as you go
from hexagram 122
there's a certain change value
6 or whatever it is and then
three to 4 4 to 5 so forth and
so on and so I found out what
these data points were
were and then I drew a graph of
these values
down to 64 and I'm
just it's just a symbol of it
obviously and so I looked at
this thing for a long time
and it didn't seem to have any
of its looks stochastic random
it didn't seem to
have any particular order to it
but then I noticed a very
interesting thing which is that
this section is a
mirror image of this this
such that imagine making a copy
of this and putting it right
here and then
rotating it 180 degrees in the
plane meaning turn it upside
down to the non-technical folks
turn it upside down
well then you can it
will slide into itself a a
perfect fit here and here so
then you get something which
looks like this
in other words it has closure
the beginning and closure at the
end but no closure in between
interesting thing about these
data points is that if you think
about the possible data points
they are obviously
one two three four five or six
the number of lines that can
change as you go from one
hexagram to another in fact
there are no fives if you look
at the king when sequence
that one of the first things you
notice is that it is not simply
hexagrams it is really 32 pairs
of hexagrams
each pair the the first the
pears are formed by turning the
first term upside down now there
are eight cases we're turning a
hexagram upside-down has no
effect on
it and in all eight cases it is
followed by a hexagram
which is exactly its opposite
and so the rule obviously
is if turning a hexagram upside
down causes no change all lines
then you can analyze these data
points and you discover that
there are 75 odd vat 75% odd
values 25%
even values exactly so so no
fives this
3 to 1 ratio of odd to even and
this peculiar closure
seemed to me sufficient argument
that this is the product of
human intent this was supposed
to be done this way and in fact
in some some of the older
commentary on the Ching there's
a passage in which it says
the forward running numbers
refer to the past the backward
running numbers refer to the
Future well now in the Aging
there are no backward
running numbers but in this
thing there are because when you
make this
you have one too three 264 but
what you've got
over here is 63
Three Sixty to sixty
to one and what you've got over
here is equals 64 64
64 it always sums to 64 so what
this is is some
kind of magical or occult
multi-leveled Mana
Laden thing that these pre Joe
diviners dreamed up up
essentially the entire each
thing has been turned into
this monolith of itself well so
let's symbolize this thing by
the letter s
hexagram as you know is made of
six lines it's also if you know
a little more about it in the
commentaries it's it's always
thought of as being formed of
trigrams to three lines
structures and then
it has an essential and very
powerful powerful cohesive unity
a hexagram as a Unity as a one
so every hexagram has 6 lines
to trigrams and one
wholeness to it so so the
thought which occurred to me
under the strong
prompting of the logos was to
take this thing which I just
showed you
which is a top of a kind of
hierarchy and
move it to the the bottom of the
hierarchy and I did it and
build a hexagram
so remember how I said will
symbolize that thing by the
s so I made I took six of those
and I did this this
six I laid six in a row
and that stood in my mind for
the six lines of
a hexagram but over this I
a then
then 2 two like that
that those are the trying grams
and then I'm sure you anticipate
thought over that I lay one
that stands for the unity of the
of the hexagram okay so now what
I had was a lot of lines lot of
running everywhere and the
absolute conviction that I now
possess an enormous
secretive of some sort the map
of time the
picture of History the snapshot
of the zeitgeist moving
through a higher Dimension
something like and I was a
to my friends and a joy to my
for many many months as I
attempted to Corner
people in all night
conversations of great energy
and perplexity that had
my friends meeting to plan what
to be done hope this never
happens to you and finally Ralph
Abraham God love him said it's
an occult
thing I mean it's just this
occult thing only you understand
it and it's
not even clear that your
interpretation is always the
same he said what you have to do
is you have to come you have to
turn it into an ordinary
object that that some that is
you know a known quantity well
essentially this was like
telling your dog to split the
atom it was like great Ralph
Ralph thing
think you'll have any time in
the next few months to put in on
this and so I sat with it for a
of years and then one
afternoon I was getting loaded
and watching dust Motes in a
Sunbeam and not thinking about
anything much at all and I had
it I had it whole
and entire I saw how to take
this occult thing
how to take its its multiple
properties such as degree of
skew overlap the three
the the scales of the three
levels and all of these
variables and I
saw how to collapse it into an
ordinary mathematical object
and it's quite trivial I will
won't bore you with it it's
so trivial it basically has to
do with deconstructing the
the the way of assigning
is to all of its parts
rebuilding it and then adding
them up and then
lo and behold all these
intuitions you had about how
when it is parallel and close
together values should drop and
all that are conserved and we
get the the time wave and the
time wave and and the
computer is simply doing a whole
lot of housekeeping work with it
not making any arithmetic
alehrer 's and scaling it to
time now now the objection that
could be made to this or easily
could be made to it and that
I cut at one time felt the force
of this objection I've
talked myself out of it now but
it's how I I would have attacked
get it myself at a certain point
and it was it went something
like this now let's see
you are advocating
a revision in physics a based on
a Chinese Oracle that you
have deciphered a secret message
from is that
it and and how long have you had
this particular delusion
delusion so I've built a
metaphor which I hope makes it a
little clearer clearer why I
it is reasonable to use a
Chinese Oracle as a stepping
stone to a
revision of of physics
and in order to explain this I
have to have resort to a fairly
elaborate metaphor so here it is
is think of
of sand dunes just picture them
in your
mind for a moment now now notice
that this
picture in your mind of these
Dunes that the dunes look
wind they look like wind now now
sand dunes are made by by wind
what's going on here the wind is
a pressure
Vera a variation in pressure
gradients over time
which moves the sand around and
when the wind
stops blowing what
is left is essentially a lower
dimensional signature of this
higher dimensional phenomenon
comme SI comme ça now for
grains of sand substitute
substitute genes
for wind substitute millions of
years of evolutionary time time
time flows
and the jeans move around and
they assume
certain configurations I
maintain that those
configurations are lower
dimensional slices of the
higher-dimensional architecture
of time itself in other words we
bear the thumbprint of the
medium in which we arose we bear
it in
every cell of our bodies every
atom bears that every Bears it
and and and this if this can be
known this this pattern of time
that is impressed in all
organism and perhaps all matter
then time
an understanding of time unfolds
as a fractal and infinitely
self-similar similar structure
that is repeating different
patterns on many many scales in
order to create the
phenomenology of the universe as
we experience experience it
so that's basically the theory
and then the theory I don't
think would amount to
much if it weren't for the fact
that with the computer we can
now take the theory and ask the
question okay given all this
arm waving and theorizing does
the unfolding wave
actually mirror mirror and hence
Act Act the unfolding of the
historical continuum
I maintain that at this stage
it's arguable that it does now
now there's a there's a
but there's a curious and
unsettling aspect
to all of this if you have a
theory of wave mechanics
of any system waves have
therefore the wave must be
generated from some
some point and if what we're
talking about is
a graphic congruence between
Theory and nature then Theory
be fitted to Nature in the
search for a best fit between
the Curve the describing curve
and the phenomenon it seeks to
describe you understand what I
mean now the problem is with
this theory if it is a
problem that when we compute our
best fit of the Curve
to the data we reach a fairly
conclusion which is that novelty
is going to reach infinity
within our own lifetimes that
the universal process
that has been going on for
billions of years across this
epigenetic landscape wandering
deeper and deeper into Realms of
of novelty fast faster and
faster faster and deeper and
deeper is actually going
to reach become mathematically
outside of our description
within our own lifetimes
in 2012 AD
it's it's not pleasing this this
Prophecy of the end of the world
within one's own lifetime this
the typical pattern of
delusional messianism that is so
dreary really familiar
nevertheless we have more than
a lolly and decoding of
scripture here we
have a formal and completely
unambiguous algorithm and we
have a body of data
data I just will now demonstrate
it to you
and you can reach your own
conclusions there are people who
have who may not even be aware
of this Theory who have reached
the same conclusion some by Me
by Avenues I
respect and some by Avenues I
don't respect and without saying
who's who
I'll list some of these
approaches there's a group of
people I believe they're called
exto pians or
Singulair assists their
Engineers their total
their Tech heads and they say
that the rate of energy release
information storage and
technological Advance is
proceeding so
rapidly that sometime between
2010 and
2020 5 the whole system becomes
unrecognizable to
to itself
with this prediction the Maya
civilization which parish two
Millennia ago had a
five thousand six hundred plus
year calendar that
culminates on the exact same day
that this Theory computes
to a fact which I didn't know
when I made my choice for the
date there are Hasidic Jews in
who leave that they have reason
kabbalistic logic to
support the conclusion that the
Messiah will appear in Late July
of 2012 and then someone
mentioned last night this
Vedic culture
so you know whether you do it by
if what are you calculate
toward it
plea or intuition Ali or
whatever and feather you exist
now or in the case of the Maya a
millennia good go certain people
by certain techniques seem to
have located A peculiar Moment
In Time and
what exactly this means we don't
know but this
wave scales to it as well now
what I want to do here
this is this year and pointing
at today and as you see
see it will come Nate here but
what I want to do now is put a
lot of time on the screen and
show you how this thing works so
let me specify time span e okay
well now here what we're looking
at here is a very large
span of time six billion years
the entire career of life on
Earth Earth
is 600 million years which is
this down sweep
so you see at that scale it's
like a done deal it's
almost a smooth curve on a scale
of 600 million years it's just
been an
Rush toward the Omega point ever
since we dropped gills and
crawled out onto the land as we
magnify and zoom into this it
turns out there was a lot of
drama along the way let me see
if I can get my
going here now each time
we'll each time it makes a new
graph will see twice as much
detail and
half as much time there is one
point five billion years years
there's the last seven hundred
and fifty million years years
375 million years that's all
you know getting hold of the
planet there's the last hundred
million years here let me stop
that that one
okay that's the last 93 million
years and two
there there is a a a event
that has to be predicted
correctly for the theory to work
65 million years there was an
asteroid impact that it
caused the extinction of the
dinosaurs and
and there it is it's an it's a
it's an exact science
folks but I'm not
okay here is this Extinction
event event where this is
you've got a hundred and
thirteen million years on the
screen and ending at the zero
point in 2012 and
this massive Extinction event 65
million years clearly shows as
the most dramatic event on the
screen you know
so what is the opposite of the
Descent is novelty and as you
see the increasing poem scale
reaching maximum at a slightly
earlier time period what's
Converse converse equilibrium
yes and then
homeostasis yeah I mean
homeostasis is the perfect
example because homeostasis is
repetition closed energy cycle
absence of
Chaos predictability in other
words and then it inevitably
reaches a place where there's a
symmetry break and then a
okay so now let's start our Zoom
again again well what you do is
there's 46 million years Let's
Get down here to
something palpable 11 million
this primate territory just
published material in nature
there's the last two million
years like that
the question was
how do you know mean where it
how did how did I choose the end
well the beginning date I'm a
little fuzzy on I simply
propagated it back until I had
more time than astrophysics
requires for the
life of the universe and that
was all I
I needed I'm not entirely
committed to the Big Bang
there's plenty of odd
assumptions in all of that stuff
what I did was I
thought about I at first I tried
to scale
it to the stuff I knew so so I
been sort of interested in
so I said okay if you have a
theory of novelty of History
where are the novel points in
history without getting too
well I think anybody who's
studied history 25 minutes would
the Greek golden age the Italian
Renaissance and the
20th century or at least they
would tolerate those
candidates so I said well I then
see if we can find a place where
three big troughs do that and
then let's look at the the
crucifixion or
else in other words to see if it
also appears to be correctly
described well
eventually you get a fit where
you can go from the Big Bang
down to Nixon's resignation and
always have this very satisfying
feeling that it's
giving up the correct scoring at
the correct level of novelty in
the correct ratio
and proportion to the events in
which it is embedded and
I got it right the a a last 67
seven year cycle Begins the day
the atom bomb was dropped on
Hiroshima and it's a resonance
you see with
the big bang and then
everything else seemed to fall
into place at that point now
Tricky it's it's is tricky
because it's a fractal
and so the possibility
possibilities of
but and that's why periods of
time like what we're living
through are so interesting
because you see I've made the
small-scale prediction that this
period we're living in will be
based on large scale
correlations now if the
prediction comes true that like
clinches it it
shows then that the choice was
correct and we gain confidence
and I maintain those in
principle no reason why this
much information
shouldn't be known about the
future the future is not
guarded from understanding any
more than any other part of
nature is and in fact statistics
probability Theory is
a valiant effort to come to
terms with the future
I maintain horribly and
inevitably flawed
by the Assumption of linear time
what do I mean by that well well
here is how probability Theory
works is so you want to know
let me think it was something
the charge on a certain
look know how much electricity
is running through a wire you
want to
know this well here's how you do
it in ordinary science these
you measured the electricity
electricity thousand times
you add it together and you
divide by 10,000 now it's
conceivable that the value you
come up with will not match a
one of your measurements your
measurements never agreed with
value so what we're doing you
see is because we assume time
is uniform we don't feel any
intellectual sin in smearing
those values that way way
the law of averages damps the
novelty in the system and you
get a kind of of
averaging probability Theory
cannot be done anymore with
if this is true shocking the
whole sort of plug of physics to
the last 50 years
to attack probability Theory
sanity that comes from quantum
mechanics and relativity well no
I'm not rejecting that I am the
the quantity is far larger than
probability Theory
I think you know there's an
interesting Revolution going on
in quantum physics right now
it's it amuses me
arguably I mean the one concept
that seems secure
in 20th century physics
physics and about which there
has been more Ballyhoo and
self-congratulation than about
any other single concept
is the much vaunted uncertainty
principle of Heisenberg
which is supposed to be a bridge
to understanding Consciousness
science and art letting us see
the simple ating elusive
Mercurial beauty of it it uh it
turns out it's
BS to
to put it as close Anjali as
possible and when the Bohr
Heisenberg theory was formulated
there was another theory of the
quanta on the
table but this Theory had
an assumption built into it
which was thought to be so
that it was never seriously
and instead this uncertainty
uncertainty principle it was
taken on board
the the notion which was built
into the rejected version of the
quanta was called
non locality and it held that
all particles that had ever been
in interaction with each other
in the past
were Somehow mysteriously and
linked to each other throughout
all space and time
I'm instantaneously and since
all particles were once confined
in a space less than the
diameter of the nucleus of an
atom atom then presumably all
particles in the universe were
connected together
through this nonlocality if you
accepted this be theory of the
quanta so it was rejected out of
this was a theory formulated
formulated by David Bohm well
now it comes back to haunt them
because there is
non locality it's been confirmed
at first it was only
there were thought experiments
with it it
yes and the iso so here but now
experiments are being done where
you actually bring
two electrons together separate
them in space flip
the spin of one and see the
other one flip
it spin even though they're now
now separated in time and space
so I it confuse exclaim unit the
and let me say
about the Bohm Theory and the
Bohr Heisenberg
the mathematics is identical the
mathematics is identical one
does not give better results
than the other but they have
these completely
antithetical Concepts built into
them and I doubt that the
Heisenberg thing
will survive it was actually a
mistake and
that what I want to say then
about the bomb formulation is
with bones mathematics
velocity and location can be
known Aeneas lie
to any limit of exact attitude
there is no uncertainty
and the blower I mean in the in
the Bohm formulation
I don't know how I got off on
this yeah
my guys are having the same kind
oh I it is analogous
to the one year yeah I would
assume that if I'm right and if
they're right
we'll have to meet somewhere out
there there's this guy
lense at Stanford who has a very
interesting cosmology which he
calls a
fractal foam cosmology and I
understand his mathematics but
he talks about how
how in his cause cosmology in
the first few moments of the
universe these things were
called what which he calls
scalar waves and their waves
but they're they don't move
there as he puts it frozen
in space time but the reason you
know they're there
is because they affect the
clustering and the ebb and flow
of probability
that's it that's it I mean it's
absolutely it so what
lengths is scalar waves have to
do with the time wave I don't
know but it's very very
interesting that these kinds of
theories now are coming forward
I think it's
because we are feeling an
inadequacy in our science
the fine structure of complex
systems won't into Focus using
statistical analysis you
get a blurred picture of what's
going on in no matter how you
the data it remains blurred
because your this temporal
variable is in there that you're
not aware of and and it's
creating this inadequacy in your
model you wanted to say
something and
two questions first how do you
that that into the system system
in other words given the each
and years to construct right
and a formula derived from that
which is the essential to making
what do you enter to create the
ah you entered the valuations of
the there are three hundred and
eighty four points in this thing
it's six times 64 so and at each
one of
these these you generate a data
a number and then that is
frakked alized and and put
through this and this is all
exhaustively in The Invisible
landscape and in the manual for
thing is now 75 pages long and
there the second question is
taking taking 500 year model or
250 or model of
whatever we would choose in
current time is there a
replication of the pattern
currently shown with a decline
of that order being demonstrated
at any other point in history
yes the question you're asking
is are the resonances
inside the
system and of course there are
because it's fractal so
self-similarity occurs that many
scales as you see with
fraction similarity is
hierarchical this has
hierarchical self-similarity but
it also has a degree of internal
self similarity on every on
every on every level so
this plunge that we're going
through right now it's resonance
it's Direct historical resonance
on the preceding
larger scale is the period
around the 10th
century century at 9:48 ad now
now what
happened in that period is there
was an enormous cultural
in Islam the umayyad caliphate
of Cordoba and the
other umayyad caliphate in
Baghdad were
producing you know and and a lot
of it was mathematical and
it's arguable that that was the
birth of modern science
both kinds of this is can be
used as a basis for prediction
is something I haven't had time
to look at there are many
residences to each point it's
not a simple system we can hear
we can only discuss it in simple
terms but in the
MS-DOS version it will print a
page full of reference of
resonances and let me explain
how I imagined time and this
thing thing
here's the first of all how the
Newtonian is Imagine time if you
ask a Newtonian
what is the most important
moment priest impinging on
this one in other words what
moment is most important in
this moment he will tell you or
she will tell you it's the
immediately before this is this
amazing faith in the in the
momentum of cause and effect
this takes takes a completely
whew and says any given moment
in time is a kind of
interference pattern caused by
the existence of other
moments in time and that time is
in fact an extremely
complex data heavy kind of
holographic matrix
and if you if you can
deconditioned yourself from your
scale position in things you can
actually feel
feel or sense the the
Continuum I mean I've got it
down to an
aphorism Rome Falls nine times
an hour
and if you're paying attention
you'll feel it Go by every time
and if you were cleaning your
apartment or walking in the
woods if you notice you think
things that there is no
rationale for and in as hemlines
rise and fall and different
scale and as art movements come
and go and it's slightly
different skin what
is all this well it's other
times other
resonances it was very
interesting I at
the website a couple of months
ago I said that I looked at the
wave and
I said the end of the year would
have a medieval flavor because
we were crossing through the
late early early 8 late eighth
century or something and then I
noticed you know that the
Liberals have this thing
every Christmastime this in
Hilton Head North Carolina
called the Renaissance Gathering
and Clinton always goes so all
of the
right Wingers got together at
this thing called the Dark Ages
a satire
on the Renaissance and I'm and
their Dark Age Gathering
occurred right in the darkest of
the dark Ages and
the resonance a lot of this is
for the production of humor I
hope you realize
if you're fans of James Joyce
and understand
how Ulysses is constructed you
know what's
going on in Ulysses is
a man is trying to buy some
kidneys to take back to his
apartment to fry for breakfast
but but somehow in visiting the
Butcher and the local
bar and running into an old
friend friend the entire home
war is fought out in these few
of Dublin and also the entire
fall and Redemption of mankind
and this is called allegory and
it's nested reference
and fractal Association and it's
a very powerful way to
make art and I think it's a very
powerful way to make art because
it's how Nature Made the world
the world is an an is an
Cory and it's based on analogies
I mean I
look sometimes that people and I
see other people
you know I see faces from the
past sometimes my past sometimes
further back time is an
interference pattern
yeah yeah one thing I'm a little
confused about is
how you draw a pattern to it
give them scale
like does it make sense to say
you can put in terms McKenna's
birthday and see
his Timely people always ask
this question yeah
although I'm not entirely
comfortable with it Let Me trace
the history of this kind of
thinking for you astrology has
certain obviously has
certain certain analogs
this because
it's about predicting the
Faith's of dynasties and so
forth from the movement of the
stars and it's DeMatha Matt it's
a it's a peculiar combination of
mathematical exactitude and a
cult fancy
god I've lost the thread asking
asking him the birthday thing
yes so originally astrology
was a tool for statecraft Royal
houses and
wars and stuff were fought and
that kind of thing well the
first I don't know if they were
the first but the first large
crop of yuppies
was late Roman and these people
had vast wealth
and they dabbled in the occult
and they were interested in
these mystery mystery religions
we're aware of astrology as a
tool of statecraft and people
ask the very
same question said you know I'm
an important person can you do
horoscope for me and so then the
natal horoscope was invented
around that time first century
ad the natal horoscope
I can imagine that we each
have our own time wave in a
sense and that that it begins
means that your birth and it
ends at your death or your death
is a
very novel point in the wave the
wave has different
Cycles in it this has
three hundred eighty four data
points I mentioned that notice
the 384 is
exactly 13 lunations at first I
thought I was discovering
a Neolithic Chinese calendar
that it was just it's an
lunar count it precesses 19
days per year against the Sun
but that might be a price people
be willing to pay especially if
it had been developed in a
tropical climate but
each larger cycle is made by
multiplying that number 384 by
64 and each smaller
cycle is made by taking that
number and
dividing it by 64 what you get
then over about 20 levels
stretching from seventy two
billion years at the top down to
six point five five times ten to
the minus twenty third that the
bottom in other words
the domain of
Planck's constant the realm of
the jiffy you get this set of
nested Cycles well the next
cycle up from this from the 384
day cycle cycle
67 years 104 point two five days
six Sunspot cycles of the minor
type two of the major type but
interestingly close to the
average human life span 67
years almost as though it's a
kind of a tone an octave of
existence I'm very interested in
people 68 the year
of life what that feels like
because in a sense if
live to be 68 in this Theory you
get to start over
you know you will you you were
sort of your slate is clean and
you get to go forward but this
kind of thing I find
I'm not that attractive to it
I'm more interested in the idea
that this is some kind of a
message from somewhere
and that the message is in two
parts the first part is
is something extraordinary is
going to happen to you and your
world in 2012
and the second part is and the
reason you should believe
the first part is because this
wave which predicts that
predicts all things which
preceded it predicted the
Italian Renaissance so forth and
so on let me
start this puppy going again and
I'll show you what I mean
what have we got got a minion
point for on the what's the
locality of this apply to our
galaxy or Universe with his plan
well that's another good
question I
I've thought about it on all
different ways and I think I
think it's it's it's local I'm
not sure how
local we can King when and
has come up with a pattern that
you used well if it's a if the
unit if it's a universal fractal
pattern then it must be
available in many places
a thing that would be very
satisfying to me would be if
somebody could find this
same set of numbers somewhere
else in nature
bring new anywhere anywhere yeah
I can the Fibonacci series
in other words a way to extract
meaning rather than mathematics
from this what you would do is
you would look at a given point
in the way of and not only look
at its wave structure but say
what hexagrams
are building this and what are
the ratios of the influences
that they're contributing and
that is basically that's another
of work for me but that would be
very very rich stuff
stuff okay let's go let it run
for a minute that's
1.4 billion years seven hundred
and thirty thousand years
three hundred and sixty six
thousand years a hundred and
eighty three thousand years now
those are glaciations in there
ninth that's the last hundred
thousand forty five thousand
now let's look at this this is
the last this is basically
5000 BC now the game the stakes
rise because we know with fairly
High detail what
has gone on in the last 5,000
years in terms of inventions
migrations dynasties so forth
and so on so
this is thousand BC to the
present well along this
descent here are the great
civilizations or
chaldea Babylon and down here in
the bottom of the novelty
trough pre-dynastic Egypt Old
Kingdom Egypt in other
words the Great Pyramids are
built precisely at the most
novel point
of that trough which sort of
supports the Theosophical face
Egypt didn't know did learn
something that it took a long
time to go past them not not
necessarily 1950
according to the time wave they
were they were the most novel
thing that had ever come down
the pike until roughly the
of the Roman Republic and that's
right that feels about right
right on this up
upslope this is all pretty ugly
stuff here the
Hittites the mitani Assyria
really getting into male
dominance Warfare as a way of
empire-building slavery huge
projects based on human agony
ugly business but
it's punctuated by some real
moments of progress
I hold the Phoenician alphabet
and so forth and so on and up
here at the top of this thing
Homer sings his song
The Trojan Wars occur actually
just slightly before that what's
happening there is that
Mycenaean piracy is overwhelming
old minoan Empire this is just
in a small part of the world but
it happens to have a lot of
let me say about that some
people say your theory is so so
historical game is how much
influence you have on the
present and the
Maya have known influence on the
present I mean other than some
interesting shards in
the Museum's and respect for
their architecture they didn't
pass it on so you know there
there isn't a man woman and
child on this
Earth who wasn't deeply affected
by what went on in Greece in the
Century BC not a man woman or
child on this planet
now what was going on in 5th
Century BC
somewhere else that that River
of influence may
not have reached the present
some did some didn't but
something got loose in
in Eastern end of the
Mediterranean right up in this
time span I
think it's the phonetic alphabet
I think the phonetic alphabet
a distancing from the object of
your concern that
allows this Eerie Faustian thing
that is so typical of of the
western mind and I'm not I
didn't originate that idea
many people have commented that
the Greek alphabet it it just
carries you so far into
abstraction that then that
light that thought style becomes
inevitable yeah obviously you've
been describing
events in Western culture what
are what are the parameters
to Indo Asia yes good question
in spite of the objection that
the thing is
culturally skewed toward
European history if you actually
study world history
it's interesting
great Advanced seem to occur
simultaneously in different
in and of itself an argument for
something like the time wave
so you know while the Roman
Empire is rising and
establishing Law and Order and
so forth and so on the Han
Dynasty is doing
the same thing in China as the
Maya are reaching their
cultural Apex with their
astronomy and their
mathematics city building and so
forth and so on the cordovan
caliphates are
doing the same thing there's
there's quite a bit of that
sort of thing because this is
you and we'll measurable
I mean the I don't understand
we would describe homeostasis
another series of events with
describe it the same thing for
novelty in other words have you
located any contradiction within
the prescribed system and I'll
a descendant and Novelty as it
were takes precedence
equilibrium only and only counts
if it completely pervades the
system you see what I mean
all right let's go forward into
this because I want you to see
these later epochs oh I guess I
didn't enter the thing I want
you to see these later epochs
because this is where we can
really judge it more accurately
this is basically from 300 ad
I'm sorry adye yes from this is
the fall of Rome
to the present not precisely the
fall of Rome is it was it took a
a long time I'm and there were
humiliation after humiliation
but generally the kidnapping of
a gust of Augustus Romulus in
375 is considered to be the
final straw so notice that
what this says is that after the
fall of Rome here
history had a different
character it was not a steep and
fairly uninterrupted descent
into novelty but it began to
between periods novelty and
periods of intense recidivism
and notice also that this theory
is not shy about making
predictions now we're down on it
this extraordinarily steep
descent into novelty right
here that's the resonance to
what's happening right now
10th Century Islam this one
which precedes it over
here is is the foundation moment
of Islam Muhammad is born in 570
and died in 632
that that whole thing occurs
along this descent
Islam is very important I have
to stress this because
we all live in a culture that is
totally anti-islamic and you
know it's perfectly legitimate
to talk about ragheads and this
and that but I've I've got news
for you
you know the science the
mathematics the architecture the
Poetry the administrative skills
the knowledge of hydrology
so forth and so on and for any
people or person
who is truly alarmed by
modernity we were talking about
this evening Islam is an answer
and I
imagine it's going to experience
great growth over the next few
years years these questions of
Central Asia that were held by
the old Soviet Union kirgizia
Uzbekistan Azerbaijan nagorno
but sky and all of these places
if they were ruled by the people
who live there they would be
Islamic Republic's it's
conceivable that in this period
over the next few months
there could be a worldwide
uprising of Islam
that that would end with it
making the greatest territorial
gain since
it's made in the 10th century if
all Muslims
were ruled by Muslim governments
and enormous reconstruction of
boundaries of the world would
take place so these two dissents
both seem related to Islam I
mean Europe is just a mess at
this time I mean
macrobius writing in the 5th
Century thought that
the circumference the circle was
twice its diameter
you know what they didn't have
string I don't know
imagine that that's how low
things sunk in Europe
while these people were gazing
at the stars and inventing the
quadratic equation
and so forth and so on okay
this one hard for you to see
occurs in 1122
that's the Crusade which breaks
the stasis of medieval Europe
and let's in all kinds of
novelty right now
the next one is this one and
this is an interesting one and
illustrates how the character of
well the different characters of
kinds of descent into novelty
let me get it on the screen a
bigger here here it is
this one now it reach its a
dramatic descent into
novelty but unlike most dissents
in technology it's also a
dramatic return to normalcy now
what kind of event would give
a signature like that a dramatic
descent into novelty a dramatic
Ascent back to the previous
well how about this this
an epidemic disease yes 1356
one-third of the population of
dies in 18 months but now think
about that it's catastrophic
it's traumatic but no new
technology is introduced
No Boundaries are shifted no new
religion enters the area and
no jeans cross Frontiers there
is simply a demographic
collapse collapse everything
comes to a halt and then
everybody who was in
number two three and four
position moves up the
wheels start turning again and
there's no thirst for Innovation
the entire effort
is just to get back where you
were before the bad news hit and
And So
within a generation or two your
back where you were very
very interesting that the
correlation between what
actually happened and the shape
of the graph
seems to support that conclusion
in in contrast to that signature
notice what came next and
an entirely different kind of
descent into novelty first of
starting from greater recidivism
and ending in Greater novelty
such novelty that there is no
recovery there's a
slight recovery but this entire
trough represents
a lower level of of novelty than
had really ever been probed
so what is this
well right up here at the top
it's 1440
no that's in 1455 15 years later
but that
plays a role in it no 1440 and
mind near Frankfurt Johannes
Gutenberg Prince the first book
and if you think
internet was something this was
a biggie for for for information
G4 for sure and and as you
mentioned very shortly
the ottoman Turks he's
Constantinople and Europe's
access to the east is strangled
and it's a total crisis
for European civilization so
what is done is these
incipient capitalists
pool their money money and and
they finance new techniques in
Shipbuilding and navigation so
this is all
technical Innovation and Novelty
and they build ships
and they sail around Africa and
they reconnect to the east
meanwhile what's going on and
they get
rich that's what I meant to say
they get rich beyond their
wildest dreams
these these cultural Hill towns
in Northern Italy that
had been dealing each other wine
for centuries suddenly find
the center of the largest
aggregation of capital ever
gathered on the
planet to that point and they
just pour money back toward
their benefactors not only the
scientists that had created the
technological Revolution
that allowed this but into the
Arts and into their palaces and
into the
planning of their cities cities
and they create the Italian
Renaissance and everybody who is
anybody is positioned along this
descent you know beginning with
the Proto Renaissance the the
fra Angelico and all of that and
then coming down through
Donatello do gr not duccio
Donatello Michelangelo Leonardo
da Vinci Titian filled the whole
bit and the whole thing reaches
culmination right down here at
the bottom of the trough they
actually experience experience
kind of s ketonic event at the
bottom of this novelty trial
is they discovered the other
half of the planet that's what
they do
500 years ago 1492 right down
well that blew the door off its
hinges they're hell you doing
has never been a return to
normality in a certain sense
did it this trough what this
trough pictures
is a period that ends in 1619
1619 is the beginning of the
Thirty Years War this
period across the bottom of this
trough has been called by Art
historians who have no knowledge
of this Theory the age of the
marvelous this is the age
of the great hermetic flowering
this is the age of
Shakespeare and and the court
Rudolph in court in Prague this
the age of Arkham bold oh and
John Dee and Robert fludd
and you know that incredibly
psychedelic mannerist istic
mishmash that those late
Renaissance people put together
but there's a certain ugliness
in it it's not an entirely flat
trough of novelty there is
a recursion too old patterns and
I maintain what that is is the
beginning of the sub the rate
subjugation of the new
world and then the rise of
gangster capitalism in that
environment because
interestingly Europe was
somewhat strangled before the
discovery of the new world I
mean it required resource
management and all that I mean
if you've been to places like
Portugal and you say you know
these people people ruled half
the Planet this this Rocky
storm-battered little Country
how did they do it well
obviously by expropriating other
people's resources that's how
they did
it there's a period of normalcy
were they were even shipping I
didn't change that much they're
just years of
ship go out empty come back full
moon well except that all this
information was pouring into
Europe it was like it was like
as though they had
landed on alien alien planets
you know Albrecht durer's went
to an exhibition
of Toltec carving in Leiden and
his diary entries on this I mean
for those people to gaze upon
artifacts it was literally like
science fiction to them and
plants and animals and they were
sort of the world all they knew
is that so
and Incredibly exotic or the
mean animals plants plants
things largest river in the
the highest waterfall in the
world and on and on and on it
just swam into their kin
literally like an alien planet
16:19 the party's over in
America this is called
the Protestant Reformation out
of some delicacy it's not the
Protestant Reformation
for God's sake it's the Thirty
Years War its when everybody in
Europe just went nuts
and and slaughtered each other
other for 30 years until
1648 and you know the whole The
Cromwell and thing happened in
and it was a drag it was Wars of
that little
clip that indicates a descent
into novelty I call Newton's
notch Newton was important
enough that the entire I mean
I'm teasing a little bit there
was other stuff going on
the foundation of the Royal
Society I-80 and so forth and so
on but generally this was a
period of recovery from the
the age of of the marvelous and
it's an ear of powdered
wigs and social mores increasing
class stratification
increasing assertion of the
power of the
Protestant churches in northern
Europe and so forth and so on
and then up here
here 40 this is what's called
the European enlightenment
and a bunch of French people
Voltaire Rousseau
philosophers theoreticians of
how Human Society should be run
produce these
screeds these theoretical texts
but wild
men in the Americas take this up
and the conclusion of all the
philosophizing that goes on
up here is the American
Revolution which occurs on on a
downswing pintu novelty and I
would argue with
reasonably successful followed
by the French Revolution
precisely on an upswing in other
words a movement back
into habit and for my money the
French Revolution ended
catastrophically I mean it's
every liberals and Nightmare you
know I mean it was horrible
the good people turn to monsters
and then they couldn't keep hold
of it
in spite of that that so the
French Revolution ends with the
enthronement of the emperor
Louis Napoleon go figure figure
and then so forth and as you see
the 20th century is down here at
a much higher level of
novelty lower toward the zero
point and the entirety of
the sense the middle 19th
century which is just
about right I maintained since
the middle 19th century we just
been exploring
totally new territory you know
once you get Michael
Michael Faraday Konrad Lorenz
and barren lobachevsky and
Fitz Hugh Ludlow and all this
you know in other words
non-euclidean geometry
electromagnetic field Theory
psychedelic drug use it it all
begins to come together
and of course
then the most important arguably
the most important moment in the
19th century completely
unrecognized at the time
now affected by the wave was
1837 when
Charles Babbage assembled the
difference in shame and and
laid the basis for the
cybernetic Revolution Let's look
at modern times in a little more
he built this thing called
difference the Difference Engine
the Babbage machine it was a
and he knew what it was he
understood what was possible
with it he went to the British
government he offered to them he
them to develop this and it was
just so beyond their imagining
it was that
it would but it had all the
elements of a modern computer it
was not electric of course it it
was a mechanic
but all the principles were
there and in babbage's writing
it's a very clear he understood
what he had on his hands
and incredible if you ever see a
picture of
Babbage I mean think about this
this guy lived in 1837 he looks
like Flash Gordon I mean he has
a haircut so an
advance of his time it's
now now let's look at this this
is from
1888 over here and what's
interesting is you know
we talked that we mentioned it
came up this afternoon how you
can use the calendar as a
political flog when you have
nothing else going well that not
happened in the or that not only
will for sure happen in
2000 but it very definitely
happened in 1900 there's
something about
it everybody they had the same
feeling that we do now the
telephone had been invented in
1895 or you know popularized
they began installing them that
was the
internet of that time it's still
pretty amazing stuff I mean how
you deliver sex
over copper wire I
don't know but they managed to
do that and powered flight was
on that was happening all over
the world people
were working on it and so this
point here is I believe
January 3rd 1900 or something
like that it's so on the money
and then this Cascade into
novelty they were full of Hope
they felt it within their grasp
the old world the
Edwardian world was falling away
it's 1900 radio
is ahead
relativity is five years in the
future Planck's constant is
filling the the the the
journals and you know in in art
the the
pot of physics is happening and
there's this
in Italy futurism is beginning
the first
futurists tracts are being
published well then
the first World War quantum
all all of these things it it
baguette gets weirder it begins
to get weirder it becomes more
than simply an object of
optimism it becomes hideously
and novel and strange and
bizarre and it reaches an apex
1933 and I don't have to tell
you so then across the bottom of
this thing
World War Two is fought and
World War II was like a
rehearse for the Apocalypse
apocalypse I mean is now or not
particularly about anything that
was a war which was about
something and it was utterly
surreal for the people who
experienced it to live through I
mean it was about you it was
about rocket bombs it was about
the power of radio to move
millions of
people it was about propaganda
with all kinds of things and of
course it ended ended with
kicking open the nuclear doorway
anybody who doesn't think World
War II was a
surreal Extravaganza I recommend
Thomas pynchon's novel
gravity rainbow gravity's
rainbow which is an incredible
thing to read
an incredible work of literature
you'll never see life again the
same way okay
so then once that's all
all over and it reaches its apex
in the destruction of the Axis
powers and the use of the atom
bomb on Japan
and so
forth everybody has but one
thought let's knock this off
let's have some kids crack a
have a barbecue they even called
it the return to normalcy
and there was all this uniform
culture culture Norman Rockwell
American white
culture all racial sexual
and social aberrant phenomena
was incredibly repressed
and there were some spills along
the way the JFK assassination
so forth and so on
and then it approaches the cusp
cusp the cemetery break and if
you have an incredible memory
you may remember that a few
minutes ago I said Homer sang
his song here one cycle back one
fractal scale
up so the analogy is or the
analogy to Homer singing his
song and to the fall of
Mycenaean and all of that or I'm
sorry the fall of minoan culture
to my Sania Sania is 1960s
the freak The Freak Revolution
the Vietnam War the age
LSD The landing on the moon at
this scale cannot be discerned
from the top of that thing that
all comes together right there
1968-69 that's where the
cemetry break occurs and then a
discuss the final descent into
novelty at that scale begins
begins and ice I to you that's a
pretty good
rendition of the myth of the
culture that the media
reinforces and that many
of us carry I mean we do believe
that was the turning point that
that once rock and roll LSD
sexual permissiveness
and all this stuff was Unleashed
we've men just been refining and
experimenting with those themes
ever since
the the the is
where a descent into novelty the
80s these were fairly steady
de sense into novelty but they
didn't surpass the Madness
of The middle 40s until until
well the early 80s I guess I'm
it's not scale here but
and then you know with the
Reagan Era
we enter into a kind of
different kind of time this
oscillation business where it
are surges
of habit and then collapses into
novelty and then re assertions
of Orthodoxy and then collapses
into into novelty
this is what we're experiencing
now here I'll go in on this
professor that we see seen
previously the gospel ations
happen of a five or ten years is
about fishing or oscillations
over months yeah
there's now 89 years on the
screen here in the 1960s and now
we're back to today we're
descending this thing so
basically what you're looking at
is the 90s with the
the present year in the Amal in
the middle and it shows that
this is by
the wave predicted to be the
most dramatic year in the decade
and the that
dramatic whatever that drama is
it'll be in full play
by June wise grab Taiwan by the
Chinese or it could be an AIDS
cure or it could be
an ebola outbreak I wouldn't
look to the American
tential election for much
excitement in less there's
Gunplay which never rule it out
in this country
we play rough air could be a
scientific breakthrough
of some sort this this planet
detection thing is
obviously edging toward
explosion because there is a
water heavy oxygen-rich World
out there within
within 50 light-years years and
the technology to detect it is
now 99%
in place and it's just a matter
of you know teasing it out of
hellacious difficult data but
we're going to know
you know recently the Hubble
Space Telescope discovered the
other 80% of the galaxies in the
universe so we now have instead
of 10 million gap billion
galaxies in one
three lease we go to 50 billion
galaxies that
means means five times as much
intelligence five times as many
and the you know that's page 42
news in
the New York Times no it's funny
say well what will happen after
2012 you haven't been listening
this Theory doesn't say anything
about what happens after 2012
this is a
theory about now what happens
before 2012
that's why waiting to 12 2012 to
use it will be rather
self-defeating because
it won't work after 2012 of
course if there
is an after 2012 it will be
wrong in which case we will have
the curious task on our hands
some of us of figuring out
why it seemed right for so long
long yes yes
I I I've never heard of
anybody having any experience
quite like this I mean it's hard
for you
probably to appreciate who I am
because I have appear fully in
of this but I am not interested
particularly in the
A ching I'm not a mathematician
don't like
predestiny or the it's just not
my style this whole thing
I'm a a rationalist and
what cynical left to my own
devices perhaps a little dark
this is an
incredible argument for some
kind of hope it says there is an
architecture to time it says the
wars the rapes the
horrible revisions that go on
our part of the pattern and all
will eventually find resolution
in the
final culmination culmination
and then you know the question
which I would put to the
mushroom or the
low ghosts or whoever it is is
if this is not true then
what possible purpose could
all this have served I mean
what's it for I don't
mind the Public Disgrace of
being wrong but it'll humble me
but we didn't probably need
to mobilize a mass movement
to me so so what was it all for
and I confess I really I
don't know I I have ideas I mean
any question like that
as long as I've been thinking on
it there will be answers mean
how about this suppose the
unconscious is a kind of
regulatory regulatory has a kind
regulatory function and of
of mass Hysteria and that what
this prophecy made by
me made by the Maya made by
these Vedic people what it's for
is to smear expectations about
millennium so that instead of
having it all focus on
January 1 2000 the be dissenters
the be people who say well it
isn't January 1 2000 haven't you
heard it's 2012
and so then a huge number of
people will put their faith on
mm they'll be disappointed and
they'll go away and get
lives and then the people who
didn't contribute to that
hysteria will delay their
hysteria until 2012 and then it
will fail and then they'll get
lives and then by this ruse
ruse be his mind will have
helped the species crossover
this calendrical speed bump
without you know Mass hysteria
nuclear war or religious pogrom
which might otherwise be a
factor I don't feel the power
particularly of this idea but
it's the only one I've come up
which answers the question
if this isn't true what the hell
is the point point is
in off work on each end
does he Touch of any cyclical
history historical reference now
this is surprisingly absent
although in The Wilhelm Baines
translation there is something
called the the sequence
and it's a it's old its Joe it's
and it's a kind of a poem which
attempts to make a logical
transition from each
hexagram to the next in the king
when sequence there are
curious statements in the Aging
which definitely support the
idea that there must be big
chunks missing for example
hexagram 14
in the vilhelm Baines
translation is called Revolution
so you turn to this expecting a
dissertation on political reform
of society and you discussed and
what it says is the shaman is a
maker he he orders the seasons
and he sets things
right and it's a whole
discussion about
calendar making making and as as
a way of creating political
well that's bizarre another
interesting thing is
hexagram 63 is after completion
hexagram 64 is before
completion the logic of their
order is reversed
again suggesting that reversing
the order of things
is somehow somehow allowed the
middle hexagram meaning the
hexagram at the halfway point if
you believe that the sequence
does was
designed as a structure is
number 32 is
called duration and the image is
of a
ridge Pole Pole well obviously
the ridgepole is that the
center and the and the rafters
move off of it
it I can't remember which
hexagram it is that says he who
correctly understands the import
of this
sacrifice can hold the universe
in the palm of his hand like a
spinning marble that's a very
alchemical chemical reduction
and so forth and so on I mean it
just there are all
kinds of textual Clues to the
fact and of course this is
coming through
translation it's very important
to read many
many translations and Sophie
chain the vilhelm Baynes is
incredibly deep and poetic and
wonderful and preferred by me
because I grew up with it
but did you ever notice it's not
a translation of a Chinese book
it's translation of a German
book it's the carry F Baines
translation of the German
edition of the each Aang by
helm there there was recently
been other translations
of the eaching and and they are
you know some bring one thing to
and some another but I think we
have been for culturally biased
reasons as I said incredibly
naive about time one
and this is the final thought
that I'll leave you with the
this evening
say this is true true
how can it be true and not
involve God's entry into history
or the explosion of the Sun or
the coming of the space brothers
are some other highly improbable
and somewhat cheesy event
how can it fulfill itself and
yet you know not require willful
suspension of disbelief well
one thought that's occurred to
me you
on it the wave doesn't seem to
work after 2012 but I've noticed
analyzing all this history and
stuff that what the wave people
will always ask me does it do
the stock market only if the
stock market moves
hundreds of points otherwise
it's lost in the noise of
everything else
going on in the world when I
asked myself what
does this wave predict best best
in other words is it politics
is it biological evolution what
is it that it really
predicts well the answer is
it it seems to argue that
technology and
Novelty are almost the same
thing and interesting that the
DMT creatures are builders in
light and now we're on the verge
through vrml of becoming
builders in light well if the
wave describes Technologies
unfolding Through Time and if
the wave can't be propagated
past 2012 then it must be
because in 2012
a technology is invented which
makes linear time and
ends it in other words time
travel time travel
now now 10 years ago only match
mad people talked about time
travel it was not a respectable
subject recently there have been
in physical review letters in
Scientific American
in nature it's a very hot topic
there are many schemes
for time travel there are many
Notions about how time travel
could be
done and actually we should have
been paying attention because
girdle in 1948 wrote a paper
to scheme for time travel that
was Within the realm of
possibility possibility I'm not
saying we're going to Kabul one
together tomorrow I mean in some
of these schemes
you have to spin cylinders the
size of the solar system and
stuff like that but any
technology that can be imagined
can be realized
by somebody well if time travel
were invented in
2012 that would explain why
there was no longer a a
graphical linear description of
times unfolding because at that
time becomes multi-vector dude
and can no longer be portrayed
in this kind of a matrix now now
in the
last is the last on this but an
objection to time travel
is always the grandfather
paradox which seems to
imply that if time travel is
possible it's it's only possible
forward in time because if it
were possible backward in time
you could hit come back and kill
your own
grandfather and then you
wouldn't exist and so therefore
nobody could kill
him and you get a logical
paradox that is always trotted
out to defeat time travel
schemes I have a different
of how this works time travel is
not what we think it is
if what what we call time travel
is an
invention which if ever invented
the moment the time machine was
turned on the rest of the
history of the
universe will happen instantly
because they're in order to
avoid these temporal
paradoxes the entire system
would have to undergo a kind of
of collapse
here's an analogy which might
make this this clearer
if you release gas into a
cylinder it
press the pressure equalizes on
the walls of the cylinder this
is called
Bernoulli's law well so so
imagine that we
suddenly become able to travel
into the future at first
I imagine that what would happen
is thousands and thousands of
machines would appear instantly
having traveled backward in time
time to witness the first flight
forward into time it would be
as though you could fly your
Piper Cub to Kitty Hawk North
Carolina to that
windy morning in 1905 when the
brothers W pushed out the
and took off but then I realized
you know this bears with it the
implication of the grandfather
paradox so instead I think what
happens is the moment the first
time machine is
is turned on on the most
state of evolution arrives
instantly at the other side of
the boundary
it's I call it the God whistle a
time machine
is not really a time machine
it's a way of destroying the
rest of the
history of the universe and so
it in a sense we're back
to the big picture again the
invention of the time machine
is a
initiated annihilation of space
and time time yes
absolutely and interestingly
enough if you think they
wouldn't risk this there's I
told you yesterday nothing comes
unannounced there's a very
interesting story about the
first datum test to Trinity in
1945 yes they have the equations
in front of them
which led some people on the
Advance Team to believe that
when the device was detonated
the the nitrogen in the
fear would ignite and that the
entire at the entire atmosphere
of the planet
would burn and they figured it
was the one in
ten ten and so they said
odds Hitler's out there I guess
Hitler wasn't out there at that
but those Wiley Japs were out
there so they said a 1 in 10
chance and they threw
the switch and it turned out the
chamber was empty so we're here
to tell the tale But but
well this this reminds me of a
here's a possible scenario which
makes use of this concept
there is an cosmological
Theory out there it's not the
top Contender it's mostly been
developed by
the sky hansell then and it's
called a vacuum fluctuation
cosmology quantum physics allows
these things called vacuum
fluctuations and what they are
particles literally appear out
of nowhere and this is allowed
by quantum
physics as long as parity is
and what that means is that
these particles must contact
antiparticle particle and
annihilate themselves and
restore the system to
a net energy of 0 but there is
this yes but there
is this brief moment moment
during the vacuum fluctuation
when matter
comes into being X me hello now
the interesting thing about
the quantum description of the
vacuum fluctuation is that the
mathematics set no theoretical
upper limit for the size of the
it's simply says the larger the
the fluctuation
the rarer it is is so Hans
often suggest we are in a vacuum
fluctuation of ten high
22 particles and what that means
that somewhere in the larger
our antimatter twin exists and
for the laws of physics to
keep the accounts balanced
parity will have to be
conserved and what that might
mean mean
a higher dimensional collision
with our lost twin and this
would not be
a collision in three-dimensional
space you wouldn't see it coming
it would occur instantaneously
throughout the entire space-time
continuum all particles would
their antiparticles particles
and there is only one
particle that has no no
antiparticle the photon
has no there is no anti photon
so if the universe
were a vacuum fluctuation of
this type at the moment of the
re conservation of parity all
matter in this universe would
100% it would disappear and what
would be left is all the light
in the universe and
a universe filled filled in time
with photons we have no idea
what that is that might be
the mind of God that might might
be the
Omega of the eschaton it
Consciousness there was an
in Scientific American of all
places three issues ago
suggesting the Consciousness is
a general quality of the
universe like gravity
and light is implicated
implicated so so it's possible
that the entire that
at now that's a large-scale you
talk about abandoning the body
this is a cosmology where at a
certain point in the life of the
universe all mattered disappears
that would certainly from my
money fulfill the
novelty Theory
theory please a much more
complex pattern than just the
sunshine number well I'm the
fact that we're beginning
to build with light the virtual
realities are made of light
people don't understand you know
in virtual reality the
difference between a 10-story
and a hundred story building
building 1 0 you enter the code
where it says make it ten
stories high
you add 1 0 it now makes it a
hundred stories high cost
it's free light is free I mean
virtually free the
technologies that moves through
aren't free but you know we have
hidden helpers in the
quantum Realm those little
electrons they are numerous
they want to help you know
Horton Hears a Who
that sort of
well that's the basic lay of the
land on this oh one last thing I
say in the interest of
intellectual honesty is not
everybody loves the
time wave and some of the people
who hate it are very bright and
if you're interested in you know
bear Dukes
discussions about this check my
and check my my website right
there's a young British
mathematician who thinks
he can take it apart and we've
been going at it hammer and
tongs and we're going to lift
the curtain on our discussion
pretty soon I would like
inspection I mean I invite and
those of you who are
professional or amateur
I'd like to people should check
my work my eyes told you the
first night my method is
shamanic shamanic but our my
techniques or shamanic but my
method is
scientific and rational the
truth can defend itself
if this can be broken on on the
of logical analysis then so be
it it
does empower hope but there's no
percentage in false hope I mean
the only
true hope is
in the maintenance of an open
open mind so thank you very much

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